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 Posted: Tue Sep 12th, 2006 08:24 pm
   
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You clearly haven't read through the posts carefully. What people here and elsewhere do not approve of is the Big Lick training and soring practices that are common and/or REQUIRED for the so-called "performance" walking horse. That soring exists in other classes that are judged on high action is just as wrong, but it's not nearly as common.

I'd recommend educating yourself a bit more about the situation. You see, the trainers that DID qualify didn't stand up and refuse to show - they weren't allowed to. The reports that they refused was a bit of propaganda by the anti-USDA crowd.

Also, as the Tennesseean reported, the trainer for one of the disqualified horses had made offers of 10,000 dollars to the three qualified trainers to refuse to show - they reported the bribe offer and declined it. The class was then cancelled.


This industry is corrupt to the bone. It is a shame, yes, but if shutting down the shows is what it takes to get cleaned up, then it's worth it. By supporting the Celebration and the Big Lick industry, you are supporting that corruption and cruelty to horses.

There are a myriad of studies and presentations available to help you understand soring, as well as the detrimental effects of stacks/chains. Ignoring them does not make them any less valid.

lickey-lickey mare wrote: I agree with Buckeyerev,

It sounds like the people on this site think every horse that was shown at the Celebration is mistreated.

 Gaitingal, I am surprised that someone who is such an "advocate" on the TWH and is willing to spout off at the mouth about this topic can't even figure out what all of the abbreviations are of.

I think it is horrible that we can't even celebrate a new World Champion.  I think every horse that had qualified should be recognized in some way.  Hooray for the fellow horsemen that supported each other not to show back.  I give each of those trainers full support for supporting each other!!!!!!

 

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I agree with Buckeyerev,

It sounds like the people on this site think every horse that was shown at the Celebration is mistreated.

 Gaitingal, I am surprised that someone who is such an "advocate" on the TWH and is willing to spout off at the mouth about this topic can't even figure out what all of the abbreviations are of.

I think it is horrible that we can't even celebrate a new World Champion.  I think every horse that had qualified should be recognized in some way.  Hooray for the fellow horsemen that supported each other not to show back.  I give each of those trainers full support for supporting each other!!!!!!

 

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 Posted: Tue Sep 12th, 2006 06:34 pm
   
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I'm with you, Brenda.  I want to see these beauties and their breeding program returned to its original intentions.  Smooth and natural.

Connie

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 Posted: Mon Aug 28th, 2006 02:17 pm
   
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Buckeyerev,

Hooray for you for doing things the right way. Though certain members of the Message Board may feel otherwise - and that's OK - Gaits of Gold as an organization  heartily endorses and applauds those who are showing these marvelous creatures in keg shod shoes, doing their thing in a totally natural manner. The horses need that kind of forum.

I pray for the day when Big Lick is outlawed, and we can start seeing breeders returning to the standards of the true, old time Walking Horse.

We will close this forum now, as it is never our intent to start a flame throwing contest, but merely to educate. Thank you for clearing up a few points on this subject. We really do appreciate you.

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 Posted: Mon Aug 28th, 2006 12:07 pm
   
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Again, we don't advocate anything but changing the soring and inhumane practice of using chains and pads and anything else that hurts the horse or otherwise leads to long-term soundness issues of the TWH.  (By the way, lameness, the early breakdown and countless other issues that can be caused by the big lick are large contributers to the black eye that TWH horses are getting from pleasure trail riders.) However, we aren't using this forum as a soap box to start throwing stones.

We want this board to show the sound way to do things without getting into a pissing match with those who do support that way of doing things (there are a couple of other boards that will be more than happy to take you up on that one).  We don't want to see TWHBEA shut down or the TWH industry to go to hell in a handbasket.  We just want to see some changes for the good of the animal.

On that note, I am going to close this discussion and let's just watch and see how it pans out. 

Jamie

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Hurrayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy........yipppeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!.............

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clap!!!!!!     Let's hope the end of this horrific animal cruelty is neartu1r1

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 Posted: Mon Aug 28th, 2006 06:34 am
   
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     As a member and Exhibitor of the TWHBEA I agree in part with buckeyerev.  The USDA was expected this year at the 68th Celebration in Shelbyville because of the abundance of soring that has been found in the last several years.

The problems occurred when the DQP's passed a horse to show the USDA inspected the horse hands on following behind the DQP's.  This made the DQP's unsure and the USDA was turning more horses away.  For the 3rd class that did not show on Friday night and not all were inspected but 18 were turned down.  The trainers sided to shut the doors of the Calsonic Arena, and did.  Jimmy McConnell was written up on a two footer that lead to some of the problems.  He is a board member.

For further information go to  http://www.walkinghorsereport.com

Take care and WALK-ON!!!

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 Posted: Mon Aug 28th, 2006 04:37 am
   
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Also the session that was delayed  earlier was ran this afternoon and went smoothly.

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 Posted: Mon Aug 28th, 2006 04:32 am
   
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USDA: United States Dept. of Agriculture

VMO: Veterinary Medical Officer

DQP: Designated Qualified Person

NHSC: National Horse Show Commission

TWHNC: Tennessee Walking Horse National Celebration

HIO: Horse Industry Organization

TWHBEA: Tennessee Walking Horse Breeder's and Exhibitor's Assn.

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 Posted: Mon Aug 28th, 2006 04:10 am
   
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  OK - there are too many initials for people to follow. Please preface such so that all csn be on the same page/wavelength. Thank you for providing clarity.

--Debbie in GA



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 Posted: Mon Aug 28th, 2006 03:57 am
   
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Good Evening,

TWHBEA does not handle inspections for the TWHNC.  They are not an HIO, nor do they have DQP's, although it is in the planning stage.  Inspections are done by National Horse Show Commission (NHSC) DQP's.  The current controversy is over the scar rule and how the USDA's interpretation of it changes with each and every show.  It was no surprise whatever that the USDA was present. They were expected.

Example: On Friday night, a 4 y.o. mare is checked by both DQP and VMO and passes with flying colors. VMO even comments to owner, "this mare looks great, no problems".  On Sat. night, same mare is checked at another show by DQP and VMO. DQP passes her, VMO (different man from Fri. night) and says the mare doesn't pass scar rule.  It's been less than 16 hours since the last inspection. Which VMO is correct? Both inspections were videotaped by the owner.

Now for those of you that have no interest in showing or maybe just downright hate horse shows and everything/everyone involved in it, this probably means zilch to you. I'm sure there are plenty of those here. I've read your comments.  There are plenty of people exhibiting TWH's that are doing it legal and sound. I'm one of them and I also show at NHSC shows.  I've led numerous horses thru NHSC inspections many, many times and they have always done a thorough and fair inspection.  I've had a keg shod versatility gelding going thru inspection for a Reining class and the USDA VMO asks to check him!  Yep, keg shod, kept in pasture, not a mark on him.  This guy held him up for 10 min. Before everyone starts flame-throwing, I've also done alot of trail riding.  Trail riding is lovely and relaxing.   But this post isn't about trail riding, it's about showing and I LIKE to show.

One parting thought: I myself will not be cheering for the TWHNC to shut down or the industry to fold.  I'd like to still be able to sell a trail horse for a decent price instead of auction prices.  I would prefer not to have the TWH market flooded and the bottom drop out. Be careful what you wish for. Instead, I will pray that both sides can come to an agreement and be able to work things out.  I pray that both the DQP's and VMO's will do thier job in a correct and fair manner.  I have good friends that exhibited down there last night. They have lots of sweat equity, time, practicing and money invested. All went very well and I'm glad they got to show.  Flame away :>;)

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The annual, 10-day Celebration is big business in Shelbyville and not just for owners and trainers. It's a boon not only to the town's economy but to the coffers of civic groups. Last year, 17 clubs made more than $240,000 from food booths, program sales and parking.
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tu1tu1tu1WOOOOOHOOOOOO!!!tu1tu1tu1



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YEA!!!! I pray that this is not a one time deal!



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  I am hoping that this wasn't just some kind of fluke. I am praying that this long overdue "policing" by the USDA has been brought about by the public outcry against animal cruelty, esp. since laws have been in place for decades. Another good opportunity for the Feds. to compile some funds into our Treasury, or where ever the fines paid will go...

  I pray that this is an eye-opener for many. I pray that the USDA will continue to do the job we have hired then to do...

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 Posted: Sun Aug 27th, 2006 10:56 pm
   
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I bet there was some wet britches when the USDA showed up. It's about &^%$ time! YIPPPEEEEE!

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 Posted: Sun Aug 27th, 2006 09:53 pm
   
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  Thanks so much for bringing this to my attention. I am sure the inspections shocled everyone, from the show officials to the grooms to the spectators. From the sounds of the article, it hurt 'em where it hit 'em - in the pocketbook.

  Wonder what next year will bring?!

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 Posted: Sun Aug 27th, 2006 05:09 pm
   
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YES!  What an awesome thing to have happened for the horses sake.  I keep hoping it will get better and this seems like a step in the right direction.  What an embarrassment for the association at the largest show out there.  Especially after everything that has been said about it getting better.  We all need to keep educating people about naturally gaited horses so that becomes the preference.  Trail riders that know and want a natural horse can make an impact if they don't buy the pacers.  Anyway I'm very excited they shut the show down.

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Hey all,

The TWH Show and Celebration was shut down Friday night and during the day Saturday because USDA officials checked every single horse going into the ring, and wrote out so many tickets that remaining trainers and show officials decided to shut the show down until several issues could be resolved. It seems that the TWHBEA's own DQP's had passed most of these horses prior to the USDA inspections - in the past, when the Association's people pass a horse, the USDA doesn't re-inspect it unless they see obvious signs of soring.

There were enough unresolved issues remaining on Saturday that the Show wasn't restarted until Saturday night. You can read more about this whole event at the web site of The Tennessean. Link: http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060827/NEWS01/608270421.

Yee-ha!!! We're gaining ground, family!

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