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| Transcript from Barney Davis's sentencing | Rate Topic |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19th, 2012 06:43 pm |
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slipslider G.O.G Community Member 
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Sadly you are exactly right iceponymom. But it seems to me there has to be some way that the associations could put regulations in on their class rules and descriptions or perhaps rather rewrite them, so that just perhaps would be more forced to comply. I don't know if there is a place to turn in Judges for misplacing a class. As i have not been in the big show world before, only as spectator. There should be a way for spectators and participates alike to write and send objections to the association related to the show they attend. If enough are gotten, surely the association would have to take notice and hopefully action. But perhaps that is just wishful thinking on my part.
____________________ LaVonne Summertime Stables, LLC Life's journey is not to arrive safely in a grave in a well preserved body But rather to slide in sideways, Totally worn out, Yelling......What a Ride ! |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19th, 2012 03:39 pm |
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iceponymom G.O.G Community Member 
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Slipslider - in the Quarter horse world, the judges are also trainers; I'm sure it's the same in the TWH world. Basically, you've got folks judging their peers who will, in turn, judge them. No way they're going to stop soring the BL horses until all BL classes are banned! IPM
____________________ IPM Margaret & Logi |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19th, 2012 03:09 pm |
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crs trail rider Ranch Hand 
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I would love to see the BL go away- along with tungsten shoes. And bands. I have some information - not sure if I have clearance to share it- but there is a huge huge shake up going on with the HIO's . Also the USDA is showing up at more shows now and one inspector supposedly told them that it was her job to keep the BL horses out of the ring- supposedly only 3 or 4 were allowed in the ring at that show and 2 of those received tickets when they left the ring. They are also cracking down on band height and shoe size (but shoe size I thought was the HIO rules and not USDA-?) They(the Bl'supporters) were crying about how the USDA ruined this show. I am sorry for the people who put on the show- but really these people made their bed- they now need to lie in it.
____________________ Its rarely the horses fault- Its usually a failure of the rider to communicate their requests in a manner that the horse can understand. Lisa |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2012 05:50 pm |
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Brenda Im Pasture Boss 
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Thank you for posting this, crs. Very informative. I think asking the USDA to set aside enough money to monitor every walking/spotted horse show is ridiculous, given our nation's current economy. A much more logical approach would be to simply eliminate BL classes, and have judges trained and certified to spot horses moving in an unnatural manner. Just my dream scenario. . . PB 
____________________ It's not always about trying to fix something that's broken. Maybe it's about starting over and creating something better. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2012 05:23 pm |
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Brenda Im Pasture Boss
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LaVonne wrote: Mr. Davis unfortunately was very correct when he said they are all sored, as no one can go in the show ring without soring and win against a horse that is sored, for that is what is placing and as a trainer, with a barn full of clients, that is exactly what you are going to do. This reminds me of the days when my son Charlie was an all New York State football tackle. . .he never went on to even try for college or pro ball (though he did play in a small college for Lou Sabin, former Bills coach, and played semi-pro in a three-state league). When I asked him why he had no higher aspirations, he told me that there was no way to compete at the higher levels without taking steroids, since all of the "best of the best" players did so. I was shocked. I'd drilled it into his head from a young age, when it became apparent he was going to be a great player, that steroid use would. . .shrink his family jewels. Guess he got the message! Too bad we can't cut off. . .well. . .never mind. . .  PB
____________________ It's not always about trying to fix something that's broken. Maybe it's about starting over and creating something better. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 07:49 pm |
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slipslider G.O.G Community Member
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As we all know it is all about money, period. The only way it is going to change is if they take drastic measures. I think they need to do away with the big lick classes completely and start promoting the walking horse as it was intended in the very beginning, and that is a good natured smooth trail horse that is a joy to own and ride. They should only have flat shod classes and there should be inspectors to make sure no sore horses get in. The judges need to stop judging a big stride and start judging the whole horse. It should be able to do more then just move prettily around the ring. I think they should be judged the way trail or country pleasure is judged. A horse going on a light rein in good form, smoothness of gait. Back easily. A horse that would be a joy to own and ride that the whole family could enjoy. If judges would stop placing horses on the big stride alone, then this would have an affect. Mr. Davis unfortunately was very correct when he said they are all sored, as no one can go in the show ring without soring and win against a horse that is sored, for that is what is placing and as a trainer, with a barn full of clients, that is exactly what you are going to do. You have to, to be competitve and to keep clients. So it needs to change from the top down, not from the bottom up. If they would stop placing them, it would stop the soring. I hope that time comes very soon. If someone knows where I could send a letter to, I wouild gladly do so. Pressure needs to be put on the Big Lick industry as this is the only way that we will see any change.
____________________ LaVonne Summertime Stables, LLC Life's journey is not to arrive safely in a grave in a well preserved body But rather to slide in sideways, Totally worn out, Yelling......What a Ride ! |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 05:35 pm |
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crs trail rider Ranch Hand
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The chains do not work unless the horse is sored. One of the things they are doing now is using LEGAL substances - like mineral oil- putting it on the legs and still wrapping the legs. What it does is keep the skin soft- and tender (you know how if you keep your feet moisturized- or put gloves on to keep the moisture in your skin- but soft skin is more tender than skin that is drier or normal. So the skin is more sensitive and the chains irritate or hurt them. Then we can look at the stuff they are putting in the stacks. This stuff is supposed to be for thrush prevention/treatment but they have doctored it so that it hardens and expands like cake mix. There is a video out there (I have it) showing a BL horse being shod-the amount of sole they take off the foot is criminal-they get that foot good and tender before putting on those stacks- the film is edited creatively so you miss several key moments in the shoeing as well. The mentality of the the people doing BL is almost comical- its the USDA's fault that the shows are not thriving. It is the USDA's fault that horses are being turned away for pasture scars. Never mind the fact that I have never heard of so many horses- all TWH mind you - with pasture scars on their pasterns. Why you would think that TWH are particularly injury prone in the pastern areas only. No other breed has that level of injuries right in the pastern area. There is so much more I can say- but yes- BL' ers are sored in one fashion or another. And FS horses are being sored as well- particularly the ones that compete where exaggerated animation is rewarded. (plantation, etc)
____________________ Its rarely the horses fault- Its usually a failure of the rider to communicate their requests in a manner that the horse can understand. Lisa |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 03:33 pm |
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karenlexsc G.O.G Community Member 
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Sorry for the repeat comment at the end. I couldn't get the edit to get me back to the bottom of the box of dialog so I could remove it...yikes!
____________________ Karen No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle. ~Winston Churchill |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 03:30 pm |
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karenlexsc G.O.G Community Member
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I read the whole thing...upsetting for sure, but glad I now understand some of the terms I have heard but not known what they meant before. I have heard Big Lick people say, "not all big lick horses are sored", and now I know FOR SURE that that is an outright lie! Its straight from the horses mouth! Our annual Rotary Show here in Lex, SC which has always had walking horse classes with big licks (in the evening), and recently, lite shod classes, this year has NO walking horse classes - not even lite shods, so I am wondering what went down with that? Gotta find out if this Davis thing may be affecting it...in a good way! But why no lite shod classes ?unless the big lick people said if they couldn't show, the lite shods couldn't either. What do you think? I could be being naive, as usual...  Think so? Or am I being naive, as usual?
____________________ Karen No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle. ~Winston Churchill |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2012 12:18 am |
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crs trail rider Ranch Hand
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a fine - and he has to write an article and do a video on soring how its done and how it hurts the horse and he has been in jail- I cant remember the jail time- it wasnt much though One of the things of note is the Judges reaction and questions. He is very upset with the USDA and made it known.
____________________ Its rarely the horses fault- Its usually a failure of the rider to communicate their requests in a manner that the horse can understand. Lisa |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15th, 2012 10:31 pm |
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TN Trailrider G.O.G Community Member 
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I didn't want to read the whole transcript (lack of time). What was the sentencing. I hope he has to walk around with cinder blocks strapped to his feet for the next 20 years.
____________________ Lynne |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14th, 2012 01:49 am |
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TessieBAgain G.O.G Community Member 
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Shocking.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 13th, 2012 01:40 pm |
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crs trail rider Ranch Hand
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The transcript is long- and the blog For The Tennessee Walking Horse has it in its entirety. So here is the link http://forthetnwalkinghorse.blogspot.com/2012/04/news-transcript-of-barney-davis.html or you can find it on her facebook page (or my page)
____________________ Its rarely the horses fault- Its usually a failure of the rider to communicate their requests in a manner that the horse can understand. Lisa |
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