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| Posted: Sun Oct 2nd, 2011 04:25 pm |
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mytwh G.O.G Community Member
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I am just not good at this. Left rear Attachment: right ft.jpg (Downloaded 43 times) Last edited on Sun Oct 2nd, 2011 04:30 pm by mytwh |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 2nd, 2011 03:22 pm |
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mytwh G.O.G Community Member
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Here we go. I'm gonna try to do this. Right rear Attachment: right rear.jpg (Downloaded 45 times) Last edited on Sun Oct 2nd, 2011 04:26 pm by mytwh |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 2nd, 2011 02:16 pm |
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NOELLEE G.O.G Community Member 
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crs trail rider wrote: I am concerned that she has never been shod and the bottom of her hoof is flat- UNLESS she is flatfooted I like that website link too  Thanks for pointing this out!... we need pictures of the mare's hooves tu1
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| Posted: Sun Oct 2nd, 2011 11:48 am |
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crs trail rider Ranch Hand 
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go to the ironfreehoof.com- It is a wonderful site.
____________________ Its rarely the horses fault- Its usually a failure of the rider to communicate their requests in a manner that the horse can understand. Lisa |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 2nd, 2011 11:36 am |
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crs trail rider Ranch Hand
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I am concerned that she has never been shod and the bottom of her hoof is flat- UNLESS she is flatfooted (I have one of those) if she is flat footed then you have to be extra careful that her soles do not grow beyond her hoof wall- and my flatfooted girl cannot hold onto a shoe- flings them off-when I did try because the vet recommended it due to a heel that was underun when I got her- she flung those shoes off - She also will not fit in a conventional boot. I had no choice but to toughen her feet up.- which I did. But I have to watch for sole growth- sometimes she will grow a bunch of sole btwn trims and I have to trim it out myself. My farrier now makes sure that he "helps" her a bit by trimming some sole. Lay your rasp or a ruler or some other flat object across the bottom of the foot- it should not rock and the sole should not touch the flat object- if it doesnt rock your foot is level- (argh- will need to find a link for you- I am having a hard time this morning explaining it- not enough coffee yet)
____________________ Its rarely the horses fault- Its usually a failure of the rider to communicate their requests in a manner that the horse can understand. Lisa |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30th, 2011 03:02 am |
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NOELLEE G.O.G Community Member
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fireandice wrote: There are some wonderful trimmers and farriers out there who understand there is no 'one size fits all' when it comes to maintaining the equine hoof as best as possible for that horse and it's needs and comfort. (Nice frogs Noelle :cool Yes, an educated, as well as intelligent and adept trimmer or farrier that is broadly trained and able to gasp the range of maintance is what you want to look for. You will be able to tell who they are, just ask a ton of questions, and educate yourself on what a proper trim and healthy foot should look like specially for your horse. Thanks Tina! She does have awesome frogs, lol.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30th, 2011 02:39 am |
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NOELLEE G.O.G Community Member
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mytwh wrote: Thanks all. I will get pictures soon. This last ride we went on, I did use my boots on the fronts. She looks like her soles are flat, not concave. How long will it take to achieve this? Did your mare have on the Epics when she was sore this last time, or was this another ride? And too, did you get a professional fit for the boots, and the right type for her hoof shape as it is now? You should also consult with your farrier if pads within the boots might help. And check to see if the back of her bulbs rubbed raw on the boots and this caused the soreness. I have boot sets to fit all four hooves for each horse. I like putting on four boots if riding on gravel roads, or rocky areas, as they feel no ouch. I like only the front if the ride is more flat land gaiting or long distance trotting on flat grass stretches. I do not find that neither two or four boots unbalances the horse, it more about my saddle fit and how I ride. I just figure front or all around on what will be the best comfort for the terrian. I rode my young QH, River, on a long stretch of grass by the roadside for nearly 3 miles, doing long distance trotting, a little loping and jogging. He was only wearing boots on the front. His collection was great and steady. On the rugged trails though, I put him in all four, and he does just as good "hiking". Same theory with all my horses. And I love riding in boots, better than shod for me. Two of my horses wear the Edge Easy Boots, the others wear the Glove. For one of my horses that wearts the Edge, he loves these boots. Really hikes nice and does some awesome jogs. There was a post on another thread that explained the concave process really well... some of it depends on the ground they are pastured on, or rode on frequently. My pastures are all hilly, with lots of small pebble-like rocks for them to step on on the paths they take. Each of my horses are developing at various rates, but ideally I want to get the frog "alive" so that is grows fat and wide and hardy. Along with the heel at the proper angle and height, and a properly beveled hoof, plus a strong hoof wall, the sole will shape up. Probably would be interesting for me to take pictures of each horse's feet and do a comparison. Moon went to a barefoot hardy in a few months. River, my young QH, seems to be catching up with her. Both are 4.5yrs old. However, Moon was raised in the mountains, and rode early on mountain trails, and River was raised on flat grasslands and trained in arena sand. So I think the reason why Moon got such a nice frog and rounded hoof so quickly is due to the terrian she was raised on since birth. Pictures would be great! Is she still sore now? Have you felt heat or increased blood rate in the hooves or back of the hoof area? Is she sensitive when you pick out her feet? I stay in touch with my farrier/trimmer often inbetween the trims if I have any concerns. I did have a recent annual vet visit, and the vet was very pleased with the hooves and the transit progress thus far. So do pull your farrier/trimmer in with your questions, and also your vet. I love that both of mine do not mind brainstorming and analyzing outside the box. Last edited on Fri Sep 30th, 2011 02:42 am by NOELLEE |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29th, 2011 11:27 pm |
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fireandice G.O.G Community Member 
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The 'mustang roll' is not right for every horse. Personally, I think it's ridiculous to expect a horse to take a year or more to 'adjust' to being barefoot. The question is not can every horse go barefoot, as the obvious answer to that question, is yes. The question is should every horse go barefoot? And the obvious answer to that, is no. If not careful and/or your particular horse is one of those who should be shod, you could be looking at a potential for road founder and a plethora of other possible problems - some even later on down the road. If you choose to try the barefoot route, find a trimmer or farrier who is not stuck 100% on only ONE particular trim style, or (if they're a trimmer) who swears off shoes as a legitimate solution completely - not every style trim is right for every horse. There are some wonderful trimmers and farriers out there who understand there is no 'one size fits all' when it comes to maintaining the equine hoof as best as possible for that horse and it's needs and comfort. Sometimes that means shoes, sometimes not. I hate boots. They're a PITA as far as I'm concerned. They get mud and sand and briars caught in them, they are cumbersome for *my horse (he's a bit of a daisy-clipper), it's really not safe to swim in them (and we swim a lot). But, they do offer protection and work very well for many horses and riders. You will have to do a lot of research and buying this brand and that brand in this size and that (having a friend with a few sets can help with this). Noelle has been experimenting a lot with boots. If you want to try the boot route, she's good brain pickin'. Don't play with foot soreness - like crs said, get the vet out if you're at all uncomfortable. With flat soles and extreme soreness, you'll want to rule out laminitis. Good luck and please do keep us posted on her progress. T. (Nice frogs Noelle :cool Last edited on Thu Sep 29th, 2011 11:33 pm by fireandice ____________________ My pony knows all my secrets. I braid my tears in his mane and whisper my dreams in his ears. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29th, 2011 09:09 pm |
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mytwh G.O.G Community Member
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Thanks all. I will get pictures soon. You are right. She was worked in a round pen and in pretty nice grass at boot camp. (That's what I called her training.) I did ride a bit far for as young and green as she is. Maybe a couple hours. I never thought about my weight added to the little bit of gravel we went through. This last ride we went on, I did use my boots on the fronts. I have easyboot epics. She did seem to work a little harder than normal. I figured it was because of the boots. She also did have the regular pasture trim and not a good one at that. Her feet look so pretty now, but She looks like her soles are flat, not concave. How long will it take to achieve this? I am going to order boots for her back feet to. My farrier thinks boots on the front only, throws them off balance a little. What do you think?? Last edited on Thu Sep 29th, 2011 09:12 pm by mytwh |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29th, 2011 01:20 pm |
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NOELLEE G.O.G Community Member
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mytwh wrote: Or do I just go to shoes and forget it? One other note... proper fitted boots are highly recommended during the transit stage, which could last up to a year for horses previously shod due to the need to grow out a completely new hoof. Your mare has never been shod, so that is good. But if her trims were pasture trims and not a natural trim, there is likely to be hoof re-shaping due to the possible change of angles. Don't write off barefoot yet! Just post some pictures to help us understand better why your mare showed soreness during or after your ride tu1.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29th, 2011 01:10 pm |
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NOELLEE G.O.G Community Member
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Picture of her front feet standing naturally. This was prior to touching up the hooves with a light rasp and the day after the mountain trail ride. Attachment: no ouch, walking beautiful.jpg (Downloaded 78 times)
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29th, 2011 01:06 pm |
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NOELLEE G.O.G Community Member
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And another picture... the last "natural trim" was done about 5 weeks ago, note how the foot maintains it shape and own roll with her own movement. There is a slight chip on this hoof after riding barefoot over a mountain trail, but it rasped off easily and rolled out to match the rest of the hoof shape. None of my other horses taken barefoot yet have this beautiful shape, or retain it barefoot after being rode, especially note the healthy fat "live" frog and nice heel, that is a good deal of what needs to be achieved. The other horses are getting there, but in the meantime, I use boots. We do just fine riding in boots, no soreness or ouch afterwards. Our TWH mare at this point is the only one rode that shows no ouch or soreness barefoot, but we do have boots for her just in case she should show any discomfort on the trail. Post pictures and we can probably help tell where you are in the transit stage. Attachment: left foot side view, one chip that rasps off smooth.jpg (Downloaded 77 times) Last edited on Thu Sep 29th, 2011 08:14 pm by NOELLEE |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29th, 2011 12:58 pm |
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NOELLEE G.O.G Community Member
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I agree with crs trail rider. Also, at 3yr old, your mare is young and was likely worked in sand by the trainer for 1/2 hr to 1hr sessions?? And she was not sore after the trim, but after you begin to ride the following day?? And she has never been shod, so maybe it more an issue of her young age carrying a person's weight over ground that is not soft sand to her sole. Consider outfitting her in front boots such as Easy Boots for the trail rides. I have taken all five of my horses barefoot this past summer and ride them in Easy Boots for the trails. Only one thus far can be been rode without boots and no soreness after the ride. Also, it would help if you posted pictures of all angles, including the bottom sole and frog. I would not shod your mare yet... try boot protection first. I am attaching pictures of our 4.5yr old TWH mare's barefeet. She was shod between 2-4yrs old, then taken barefoot this summer. She was rode lightly during the summer without boots on sand only. Farrier said her feet were textbook perfect going barefoot. These pictures were taken after a rocky mountain trail... about a 4hr ride. She did not need boots, and her feet proved to be quite hardy. But she was an exception, the other four horses are still in boots and I expect a year of riding in boots to get to the point of considering riding without boots on average wooded trails. Attachment: right foot after steep mountain climb and rocky terrian.jpg (Downloaded 76 times) Last edited on Thu Sep 29th, 2011 08:13 pm by NOELLEE |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28th, 2011 11:09 pm |
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crs trail rider Ranch Hand
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hmmmm the mustang roll should not have made her sore- if that is all your farrier is doing she may have too much sole.They should not be walking on their sole- their frog should come in contact with the ground but should be level with the hoof walls. He could have rolled her too sharp or you said she just came home from the trainers- maybe another issue? Have vet out for to check would be my guess.- maybe something else going on. Put her on grass and see how she does on a lunge line-
____________________ Its rarely the horses fault- Its usually a failure of the rider to communicate their requests in a manner that the horse can understand. Lisa |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28th, 2011 09:21 pm |
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mytwh G.O.G Community Member
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Hey all I have decided to go barefoot with my mare Toot. My farrier quit shoeing a few years ago and the mustang roll is all he does now. My question is how long does it take before she isn't sore anymore? I do know that it can take up to a year or more for the transition, but my mare is only 3 and has never been shod, just trimmed. I had her trimmed on the 24th (It was her 2 trim with the roll). I went riding the next day and she is so sore that she didn't want to move. It scared me pretty bad. I thought that I could've caused her to road founder. I tried to stay on the trails, but she was even sore then. Do I just go on short rides? After she's not hurting of course. I need to ride because she just came home from the trainer and I'm afraid the last 30 days will be a waste. Or do I just go to shoes and forget it? I've heard the transition period is usually when people give up on the mustang roll. Thanks Sherry
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