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 Posted: Fri Apr 6th, 2007 05:51 am
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Barbara,

I'm sure you already realize your horse learned that being aggressive got him food.  Being a bully is a lot easier than working to earn it!  Just stay consistent in discontinuing the target game when he tries to intimidate you for the food.  Timing is everything.  Just be sure to continue to carefully read his body language before reinforcing with the food.  A lot of times there are plenty of visual cues you can pick up on a horse that is thinking about being aggressive before the actual nip.  Examples are:  nudging at you, putting ears back, shaking their heads, pawing the ground, crowding your space etc.  It is important to continue to make sure that you expect certain rules to be followed for accepting a treat, which is a training component in itself.  Even if a horse has performed a desired behavior that I wish to reinforce correctly, I will not reinforce with the food if he/she manages to sneak in an aggressive food demand behavior.  Remember that the last thing the horse consciously does before he gets reinforced is likely that which he/she will remember as what worked to get the reinforcer.

As far as how long will it take to extinguish the "bad" behavior, well that will depend how skillful you are at dissuading it consistently combined with how persistant your horse can be in trying to make the "easy" way work again!

Tara



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 Posted: Fri Apr 6th, 2007 12:43 pm
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Thanks 4,

I am so glad I found this fourm because all the other reading I found is sometimes good at telling you steps to the training but not all the small clues to them being aggresive with the food. I see all these little things you are talking about and now able to make him much calmer.

I worked with him a while yesterday and he was much better. I will keep diligant with it! Frankie seems to be enjoying this!

Can you teach a couple of things at once or do you need to perfect one thing before going on to anotehr?


P.S. I love your website too!

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 Posted: Sat Apr 7th, 2007 11:35 pm
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Thank you Barbara for your kind feedback.  I agree with you about the current published materials out there.  I actually bought a couple of books on the subject after I had trained Melody, and promptly sold them on eBay because I found them to be way elementary and not as detailed in the nuances involved in the training process.  I suppose that is why we have the phrase "textbook perfect", which implies that most normal things never play out as they do in a textbook!  Horses have their individual personalities, temperaments and experiences that they bring into the training equation.  The important thing for the trainer is to have a well rounded generalized understanding of horse psychology when teaching anything through any method to garner the best results!

:)Tara

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 Posted: Sat Apr 7th, 2007 11:42 pm
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Oops, I forgot to answer your last question.   The truly important thing is for your horse to understand that your cluck/click/yes/whatever means "Yes! You made the right choice!".  If your horse really understands the bridge signal, then you can use it any time, doing anything to tell your horse he/she did what you wanted.

Tara

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