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Gaits of Gold Gaited Horse Community Messageboard > Tack Discussion > Imus Comfort Gait Bit™ Discussions > RMH with bit issues- back to ICB |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 04:49 pm |
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whattarack Pasture Boss 
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Off the top of my head: I just peeked back at your introduction post and I had forgotten that this is a young horse with a history of problems. Do you ever feel like he is just rebellious? Do you still check him for any signs of pain after a ride, the day after the ride, a few days after the ride? Did he free-up under saddle once you started riding him in the 4-Beat? All the fighting (with the bit) could be teaching him to resist, resist, resist. I know you've had him with a trainer but have you continued 'training' or are you passively riding him. I hope things will improve. IMO, a bucking, spook horse is asking for more training and maybe a massage to boot. w2 Also, I believe to some degree that the rider can teach a horse to spook if there are confidence issues. Every ride with my horse is a training event. She's has her good days though. When my nerves are shot - so be her's s4 We (round home) call those horses "sensitive" - -- Remember, when you transition to the curb, be very patient and allow him to do his part in figuring out what you want. Once he gets it, he'll get it and keep it.  I don't expect that to take very long since he has been in a curb before. tu1
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| Posted: Wed Mar 5th, 2008 02:56 pm |
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Mountainhorse G.O.G Community Member 
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Susan and Ladybug- Thanks for your nice words. {{{hugs}}} Whattarack- So much you say is true. Thank you!! I've really thought about the pain issue that ladybug talked about, so I called an Equine Dentist that was nice enough to chat with me. She said since he had his teeth already done and was seen by a vet, I should have a chiropractor look at him. I'm goint to try that next.tu1 Of course, she also said that trainer A, that abused my horse and tied W's head back using a thin twisted wire bit, he may have an injury to his tongue.  I'll keep you all posted. Thanks for all your help!
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| Posted: Wed Mar 5th, 2008 03:39 pm |
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Brenda Im Pasture Boss 
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Ah, bless your heart, and take a deep breath. No. Take three, nice and slow. Better, eh? ;) This was the first ride of the season, no doubt all the horses were wired for bear. It will get better. Meantime, why not have a nice cup of hot cocoa with those precious girls of yours? God bless. PB 
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| Posted: Wed Mar 5th, 2008 04:52 pm |
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Brenda Im Pasture Boss
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I want to add here that it may be you have the 4-Beat saddle (I honestly don't have any way to know). So it's a perfect time to make this point: While my saddle helps accommodate the majority of gaited horses, sometimes there still needs to be adjustments made with the padding, placement, - or even, on rare occassions, an acknowledgement that it may not be working for a particular horse. If you do own our saddle, then we'll try to help make it work for you. If it doesn't, and it is past the two week warranty (all saddles on the market currently are because of the interruption in building them), it is always easy to get new, near new, or sometimes higher than new price for after market 4-Beats on either e-bay, or tacktrader.com. All together, this situation will be workable for you. . .so try not to stress out any more over it? PB
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| Posted: Wed Mar 5th, 2008 05:03 pm |
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whattarack Pasture Boss
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Well said, Ladybug. As much as we want everything to just WORK, so often it just has to WORK OUT. Horses and kids makes for a wise woman. ;)
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| Posted: Wed Mar 5th, 2008 07:34 pm |
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Mountainhorse G.O.G Community Member
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Brenda, Thanks for the info. Yes, I have your saddle, and it's the only one that has ever fit him. When I emailed his pics in for sizing, I was told he'd need the Hav-a-Heart pad, which I've never used. Now I am rethinking that, since he is somewhat hollow backed from all that pacing. My gut feeling is that it's the bit/head/neck that is an issue. After posting here, I have definitely come to the conclusion that he is in pain and trying to tell me something. As are all of you...i1 He's not a horse that bucks and is really laid back. After I posted, I got a call back from the Horse Chiro, who is also a gaited horse trainer, and she thinks he may have a jaw that is out of whack. She's coming next week to adjust him, check his tack, try different bits, show me some exercises for him, and ride him to see what's going on. She said to stop riding him, because the bucking just started and I don't want to make him worse. So I'll just have to wait and keep y'all posted. thanks!! Anne-Marie
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13th, 2008 08:53 pm |
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Mountainhorse G.O.G Community Member
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Okay, I had the equine Chiropractor over and she's also a Gaited Horse Trainer. She was just wonderful and I learned a lot. Definitely proves, that sometimes it's best to consult with a professional and save yourself a bunch of headaches!! 1. There's nothing physically wrong with my horse. Saddle is fine. 2. He did buck with her and she felt he was very stiff when turning. She ground-drove him and made him more responsive to the bit. She recommends instead of lunging him, ground driving him tacked up. 3. She switched his bit to a shank type bit, which he responded much better to. MIRACLE  HE CAN GAIT!!!!!!!!!!!4. As you may know from previous posts, my horses was pacing and had lost his gait. Well, she found it. It's the first time ever I saw him go fully collected, and although he's not perfect he sure can throw in some steps!! 5. She had me get in the saddle.b1b1b1 My stirrups were 4 settings too short and I was riding him way too English. She showed me the proper seat and wow, it felt so much more comfortable sitting this way!!i1 6. She showed me how to get him collected and gaiting!! 7. She had dh video tape her riding and my riding so I can see how horrid I was looking  and how I should look.8. She explained what to do when I ride in a bigger group with spooky horses. It was a great session and it was some of the best money I have spent on my horse in a long time. I'm glad I didn't waste time trying to figure this out on my own. Thanks for listening. Last edited on Thu Mar 13th, 2008 08:54 pm by Mountainhorse |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13th, 2008 10:01 pm |
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ladybug G.O.G Community Member 
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This post just made my day, Good for you, and your horse!! I new when you called her you would definatly find answers to so many things. We can all tell you what we think it could be, but the fact is until someone actually looks at the situation in person, it is hard to diagnose. thank you for getting back on here and sharing this good news with us. I look forward to hereing about your progress and know it will go well for you.w2
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13th, 2008 10:58 pm |
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whattarack Pasture Boss
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Yippie! I'm so happy for you! English, huh? l1 Sorry. I can't image a short stirrup in the 4 beat. I like 'em long..... w2 I'm thrilled, too! You made my day. 
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17th, 2008 01:18 pm |
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Mountainhorse G.O.G Community Member
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Ladybug- Thanks for recommending her, she is awesome!! Whatta- Yeah right ? No wonder I was in pain after riding !! Just wanted to add a final update to my post: I rode Whiskey yesterday on a trail ride. He did not buck when getting on. With the longer stirrups I can on him without a mounting block, which means we can take a break and I can get off him and back on whenever I want! Anyhow, he was much better with the new bit, I had way more control and... DRUMROLL PLEASE-----We Gaited!!!!!!!! Okay, granted, we didn't gait consistently, and there was some pacing and some broken pacing, but several times he gaited for a long stretch and was faster than dh's SSH/TW !! And I got to ride him without the bouncing around.w2 And now that I sit correctly on my back pockets with my legs forward and s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d out ( I am 5'11") in my IMUS saddle, I was way comfortable and not an ounce of pain or stiffness with my RA. I just had the best ride ever on my horse!!! Pure joy! He was well behaved and I had no pain!! Yippee!!! Having this trainer over for 2 hours was the best money I ever spent.tu1 Happy Trails!! and thanks for listening and helping!!Anne-Marie
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17th, 2008 02:23 pm |
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ladybug G.O.G Community Member
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That is so wonderful. Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy!!w2
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| Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 03:36 am |
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SKSK G.O.G Community Member
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PER BRENDA " This is even more true with a broken mouthpiece on a curb - such as a Tom Thumb bit. The TT exerts terrific pressure and pain unless the horse anticipates the rider's intent and responds instantly. . .not exactly soft, willing cooperation!" ___________________________________________________________________ OMG! I am very upset after reading these posts regarding bits. Especially the quote from Brenda above. My Rocky is out of state being trained by someone that is using a TOM THUMB bit on him. This is not a bit that we were using on him at home. I am now very concerned as I had no idea that the TT was so severe. He is not due to come home until mid June. Should we go pick him up immediately? I feel like I have done him an injustice. Please advise an opinion on the best way to move forward on this issue. SKSK
____________________ Sherry, "Show me your horse and I will tell you who you are" Unknown |
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| Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 03:50 am |
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whattarack Pasture Boss
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Oh boy. I read your other post about training and did not reply because what one calls training, another calls torment. What one calls gaiting beautifully, another calls a pace. I'm sorry. I do hope you get what you want. I'd arm myself with some education and have a conversation with the trainer. The GOG DVD set has excellent information to help you speak with your trainer about bits, gaits, farrier work, confirmation . . . . might be a great place to start.
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| Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 04:07 am |
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SKSK G.O.G Community Member
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Whatta, I feel horrible right now and I have just placed the ICB and the GOG-DVDs in my shopping cart. I will watch them and take in all the info I possibly can. Thanks for the push. I just don't know where to go from here with his training. I can't locate any one who is able to recommend a gaited horse trainer locally. That includes one that offer lessons for myself. Maybe I should have just stayed with owning a puppy huh? I just hope he doesn't come home damaged in any way.
____________________ Sherry, "Show me your horse and I will tell you who you are" Unknown |
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| Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 11:06 am |
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whattarack Pasture Boss
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I didn't mean to make you feel alarmed. You might get exactly the horse training you had in mind. But you won't know until you know. I've learned a lot from the DVD set and the bit absolutley makes sense to me.
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| Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 05:00 pm |
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slipslider G.O.G Community Member 
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Don't beat yourself up about the tomb thumb bit. Until I joined this forum and recieved Brenda's dvd about bits. I thought the Tom Thumb was fine as well. I had tried to find out more information on bits and how they work and was glad to finally have it explained to me by Brenda's dvd. I have ridden in this bit as well and had no problems and the horse was not ruined. If this trainer is a good trainer and rides with light hands, your horse will not be ruined and you should have no problem transitioning him over to a bit of your choice. My horse is currently being ridden in a snaffle bit that I really don't like by my trainer. But his hands are light and I am not worried that he is ruining her mouth and will change is over to the ICB snaffle when she comes home. Almost any bit can be harsh if ridden with harsh handling. So take a deap breath, relax and watch Brenda's dvd and be prepared to change it when he comes home. When you go see your horse at the trainer's, see his reaction to the bit he is being ridden in. Is he resistent, or is he very light and easy to turn? This will give you a good idea of how he is handling the bit. If he is resistent that you might ask your trainer to use a different bit or if it is too late for that because you will be bringing him home, then just be prepared to take a while for the change to occur to the new bit, you will have to be light in your hands and persistent. Hope this helps.
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| Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 05:25 pm |
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kismetnany G.O.G Community Member 
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My rocky was very fussy with his bit so I use a western curb but it has to be wrapped on the sides with Latex which you can buy at almost any tack store
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| Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 05:44 pm |
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TN Trailrider G.O.G Community Member 
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Any bit is as harsh as the person holding the reins makes it. When I got my new Rocky last fall, I used a snaffle on him. He didn't gait well with it and went with his head in the air. I had a TT in my bit collection and tried that on him. He actually went quite well in that bit and seemed very comfortable with the mouthpiece, but the bit was too narrow and seemed to pinch his cheeks. I sorted through the bit collection again, and found a grazing bit with shallow curb and copper mouthpiece. He hated it. Spent the entire ride slinging his head and sticking his tongue out. I bit the bullet and ordered the ICB (hoping it would not be another bit to throw in my collection box). The bit fit him well, and he seems to go okay in it, but does fuss with it on occasion. I think he just likes to fuss. He did get his tongue over it one day, so I tightened it up more. I don't like the TT just because of the curb chain with the jointed mouthpiece, and I do on occasion have hard hands so try to steer clear of things like that. But if used in soft hands and if the horse likes it, I don't see a problem with a TT. Last edited on Wed May 28th, 2008 09:54 pm by TN Trailrider ____________________ Lynne |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27th, 2008 03:04 pm |
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Brenda Im Pasture Boss
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I'm bumping this thread b/c there is so much useful info on several different topics. Enjoy! PB
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28th, 2008 09:59 pm |
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ssecmft G.O.G Community Member 
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I had reread this post after receiving my ICB bits. It like learning how to use the reins all over again.
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