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| Posted: Tue Jun 15th, 2010 01:55 am |
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liteshodwalkers G.O.G Community Member 
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I haven't ever seen numbers like that on a 4-Beat. That's not to say that these are incorrect. I have only seen the seat size and either a S or W. Have you heard back from the seller yet?
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15th, 2010 02:37 am |
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MustangSally G.O.G Community Member 
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The seller said her husband is the "keeper of paper," so she will have him look around to see if he saved the receipt. I was able to find the 239x- number on Circle Y's website, so I'm guessing this was one of their production 4-beat saddles. Still, it bothers me that nothing is actually stamped on the leather anywhere... perhaps it was a test, prototype, or demo saddle? The seller also said it was a 17" saddle, but I'm thinking it's a 16". I can deal with it, if that's my only worry. They had two for sale; one of which they remembered buying from NBS. They just weren't sure if they got this particular saddle from GOG, Circle Y, or where, because it was their first. It looks IDENTICAL in every way to the Circle Y IMUS 4-BEAT Endurance saddle with western fenders, black seat, and dark oiled leather. Last edited on Tue Jun 15th, 2010 02:38 am by MustangSally |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15th, 2010 02:43 am |
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whattarack Pasture Boss 
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I think (I may be wrong because I've not seen a CY built 4-Beat) CY built saddles all had a pencil rolled cantle, I also think the hardware will be all screws (no nails anywhere), I'm also thinking that the hardware wasn't brass or maybe not always brass? I could be very wrong but . . . anyone?
____________________ A State Trooper pulls over a pickup on Highway 16 And says to the driver, 'Got any I..D ? ' . . and the driver replies 'Bout wut?' Being Offended is Optional. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15th, 2010 04:11 am |
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ladysrider G.O.G Community Member 
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I just saw a used Imus 4beat saddle, 15 inch, at my local tack store. Not sure what width but they're saying it's a Circle Y model. It's the wrong seat size for me and they are asking the same price as a new one. I seem to remember a pencil roll or at least I don't remember it not having one and I'm used to seeing pencil rolls and wider on saddles.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15th, 2010 05:48 am |
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TN Trailrider G.O.G Community Member 
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The Circle Y 4B I used to have had a pencil roll cantle.
____________________ Lynne |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15th, 2010 10:08 am |
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MustangSally G.O.G Community Member
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My saddle looks just like the picture attached. Attachment: imus-4beat-endurance.jpg (Downloaded 108 times)
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15th, 2010 11:25 am |
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whattarack Pasture Boss
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Well, that one is stamped with the 4B logo all around the skirt. It does have a pencil roll and if those saddle rings look silver then I'd say it is a CY model. If your's is not stamped all around then . . . I dunno. I would think that even a prototype would have been stamped somewhere just to show an example of the quality of the die? You should be able to feel Supracor under the fleece. It should feel kinda like a very firm bubble wrap (actually made like honeycomb - not bubbles). The stirrups will also have Supracor because all the CY models had Supracor in the stirrups as a standard item (I think even in the endurance). I used to know how to understand CYs number system but I'm not sure it all the numbers are right. The numbers used to have a model number with 4 digits, a color number with 2 digits, a month, year, and production count which I can't figure out what numbers those would be by what you've shown. CY dealers may be able to help you figure out what a serial number means. You might also try CY directly.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15th, 2010 06:15 pm |
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TN Trailrider G.O.G Community Member
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Mine looked just like that pic of the Circle Y. The front fork area of the Circle Y looked different then the Amish ones when viewed from the front, at least mine did. The forks didn't angle up as much. Sure liked it, though, and wish my horse hadn't outgrown it.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16th, 2010 12:49 am |
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sdlepal Ranch Hand 
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My Circle Y saddle was just like the one pictured. They did have the pencil roll. My paperwork matched my serial number and where your number 1601 is, is where the date of mine was. These numbers look simular to the Circly Y numbers but they were stamped (not that clear) in the leather under the latigo holder. I can't see the serial number being on a piece of paper tag . I had to sell my Circle Y because it was a wide and my horse now needed a regular tree. But I loved it just the same as my new one from CCI.
____________________ Pam and Cowboy Casey |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16th, 2010 12:56 am |
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MustangSally G.O.G Community Member
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The hardware is brass. The 4B logo is stamped everywhere, all around the skirt and fenders, etc. There is thick padding in the stirrups, too. The pommel does not seem to angle up very high, and appears pretty rounded to me. I am not at all familiar with endurances saddle, though, so I have nothing to compare it to. Oh, the seller wrote again and told me that they called GOG directly to order the saddle. I don't think that really helps us, though. Excuse my stupidity... I was thinking a pencil roll was turned outward, over the edge of the cantle. My mistake.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16th, 2010 12:58 am |
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MustangSally G.O.G Community Member
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There is a little silver... on the little brads/nails/tacks or whatever they are, holding the leather down at the front of the seat, where it meets the pommel, which are coming loose. I think there are two of these nails on each side.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16th, 2010 01:23 am |
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whattarack Pasture Boss
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IMO Brass hardware= Amish, CY , Big Horn Wicket & Craig Leather = Amish or CCi Silver Looking Hardware = Anyone? Seat sizes stamped with 4 digits = CY Under onside skirt stamped seat size 2 digits with a W for wide - Amish, Bighorn, CCi Pencil roll cantle = CY, Amish (special order), possible Big Horn and CCi Weird that your saddle doesn't have all the tale tells of any one maker. Maybe it is a prototype made by CY. It may also explain why there was a sticker and the saddle wasn't stamped. I just don't think CY used brass hardware as standard hardware and I know Amish didn't put stickers on their saddles and a pencil roll cantle would have been a special order. I vote prototype. Last edited on Thu Jun 17th, 2010 02:32 pm by whattarack ____________________ A State Trooper pulls over a pickup on Highway 16 And says to the driver, 'Got any I..D ? ' . . and the driver replies 'Bout wut?' Being Offended is Optional. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17th, 2010 12:07 pm |
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MustangSally G.O.G Community Member
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Interesting, Whattarack! You sure have a lot of experience with the saddles! I still haven't received anything "official" from the seller, although she did say it could take a while. I wish Brenda would chime in with her opinion on this saddle! I am going to look ONE MORE TIME for a stamp on the leather. I keep thinking, if I look hard enough, it will magically appear! LOL. (wishful thinking) I guess I just want this to be the real deal, and verifiable. BTW... what kind of horse is in your avatar pic? Sure is muscular.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17th, 2010 12:11 pm |
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MustangSally G.O.G Community Member
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Hey, all the hardware is brass. Even the little nails/brads tacking the leather down. The ones on the seat are just discolored a little. Outside, they looked silver. Now that I'm looking at in the house, they are brass. NO SILVER HARDWARE. One mystery solved. Getting closer. l1
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17th, 2010 12:15 pm |
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MustangSally G.O.G Community Member
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FOUND A NUMBER! Faint, but there. The different lighting in the house really helped me find it this time. Outside, I saw nothing. Good tip for others looking for numbers. It was on the leather (under the skirt, under the latigo holder) stamped near the straight cut edge, left side of the pommel. 200714202 (last number is kind of faded) Mean anything to anyone!? Last edited on Thu Jun 17th, 2010 12:22 pm by MustangSally |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17th, 2010 02:11 pm |
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sdlepal Ranch Hand
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Well, it most likey a Circle Y made in 2007 and the last numbers you can't read is probably the seat size. I know my numbers were so faint I would not have been able to read them if I didn't have the paperwork to refer to. I believe mine had brass hardware also, and it was made in 2007. Good luck, you are getting closer.
____________________ Pam and Cowboy Casey |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17th, 2010 02:20 pm |
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whattarack Pasture Boss
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OK, if Sadlepal's CY had brass hardware, then your's is probably also a 2007 CY model. I only saw the CYs in pictures and I thought I saw silver looking hardware. I'll change my posts above to reflect brass hardware also on CY models. Thanks, Sdlepal. The horse in my avatar is the mare I had to put down last year due to a broken leg. I still miss her. She was just a grade racking horse and she was built like a bulldog.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17th, 2010 02:25 pm |
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MustangSally G.O.G Community Member
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She was built like a bulldog! Very stocky! I like that look, though. Glad to see you're doing better and back on the MB. You're definitely one of the most responsive PBs, that's for sure!!! What's the latest on the physical therapy, etc.? Thanks for your help, S. I PM'd Jake, hoping for more details on this saddle. Love this place... just love it! tu1
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17th, 2010 02:31 pm |
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MustangSally G.O.G Community Member
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Thanks, Sdlpal! I feel better knowing your saddle was very similar to mine. I really thought the saddle was older than 2007, but it doesn't really matter, I guess. I hope 14202 doesn't mean 14" seat...blah, blah, blah. It's supposed to be a 17" seat! I measured 16" with tape measure, though. If it were a 14", I'd be hanging out all over the place! LOL.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17th, 2010 08:43 pm |
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MustangSally G.O.G Community Member
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Contacted Circle Y for assistance, since I had a stamped number and that sticker from the underside. It's a good saddle! Here's their response: ______________________________________________________ According to the serial number 200714202 2392-1601-04, this endurance trail saddle has a 16" seat with a rich pecan saddle finish. It also has a standard tree. This saddle was manufactured in June of 2007. Kindest regards, Jamie Mraz Customer Service Representative ****** Saddles, Inc. Circle Y Saddles, Inc. General Phone Line: 361-293-3501 xt. 240 Direct Line: 361-485-6741 Direct Fax Line: 361-485-6727 General Fax Line: 877-245-9270 jmraz@circley.com I wrote back and had a few more questions for him: --------------------------------------------------------- How did you verify that information? Sticker, stamp, sales information, all of the above? I did verify the stamped 200714202 in our system and the serial number 2392-1601-04 was confirmed. What does 14202 (following the 2007xxxxx stamped on the saddle) tell me? The 14202 tells me that this was the 14202nd saddle made so far that year. Did the stamped numbers match the information from the sticker? All numbers you provided reflected correctly with what we showed in our system. Were you able to pull up sales information, too? Yes, it was manufactured and sold to Gaits of Golds in June of 2007. Just want to make sure I understand everything. If the stamp on the saddle provides all the information, should I dispose of the sticker? I would keep all information for your records in case your saddle is stolen or damaged and you need to retrieve this information for insurance and/or police purposes. Last edited on Thu Jun 17th, 2010 08:51 pm by MustangSally |
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