 | ||||
| ||||
Gaits of Gold Gaited Horse Community Messageboard > Gait Discussions > Stop the Soring! > Kentucky Horse Trainer Trial |
| | ||||
| ||||
Gaits of Gold Gaited Horse Community Messageboard > Gait Discussions > Stop the Soring! > Kentucky Horse Trainer Trial |
| Moderated by: Brenda Im |
|
|||||||||||
| Kentucky Horse Trainer Trial | Rate Topic |
| Author | Post |
|---|
| Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 01:41 am |
|
1st Post |
|
Tator G.O.G Community Member
|
Here is an article about a horse trainer and video from his trail. Very sad. http://www.kentucky.com/181/story/508645.html Go Sound Horse! 
|
|||||||||||
| ||||||||||||
| Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 12:14 pm |
|
2nd Post |
|
gaitingal Ranch Hand 
|
Thank you for posting this. I am sick in the pit of my Being. --Debbie in GA
____________________ "Wrinkles should merely indicate where smiles have been." - Mark Twain |
|||||||||||
| ||||||||||||
| Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 01:55 pm |
|
3rd Post |
|
Tator G.O.G Community Member
|
Debbie the whole case is just absolutely sickening. This happened back in 2004 not this year. Mr. Oliver was not only a trainer, he was a KWHA judge, inspector, and member of their HIO board! What a joke. You cannont tell me his fellow members and KWHA officials didn't know about this prior to the trial. So in 2007 a civil trial jury rules against Mr. Oliver and slapped him on the wrist. He has continued to serve in the above capacities along with holding a WHTA trainer's license until VERY recently. A few little people in Kentucky finally had their voices heard and brought this out into the non-walking horse world and that forced the organizations to get rid of him-IMHO. However the article reads that he is still the vice president of KWHA. Following is a portion of the article. "Resignation, suspension After the trial ended last year, Oliver remained involved in the walking horse industry. Until recently, he was considered a qualified inspector and judge. Oliver said he no longer trains, owns or shows horses. However, Oliver Stables in Lancaster was listed among the top trainers at Kentucky Walking Horse Association shows last year. Oliver said it is a family business. He also is vice president of the KWHA, which administers the money received from a taxpayer-financed state program for the breed. In the last two years, according to the state, the Kentucky Walking Horse Breeders' Incentive Fund has gotten more than $700,000 to pay out to KWHA members. The Kentucky Walking Horse Association announced on Aug. 14 that it had accepted Oliver's resignation as a member of the KWHA's Horse Industry Organization, the official wing that provides judges and inspectors. That resignation does not affect his office as vice president of the association. "The committee met earlier in the week to discuss allegations made during a civil case involving Mr. Oliver," according to the HIO's statement. "Although the court found no evidence of gross negligence on the part of Mr. Oliver, he resigned his appointment on July 25." KWHA president Earl Rogers Jr. said the resignation from the HIO board means Oliver is no longer an inspector or a judge, although he is still listed as a judge on the group's Web site. Oliver would not comment on the HIO's action and said he had not seen the statement. On Wednesday, the national Walking Horse Trainers Association announced that it had suspended Oliver's license "indefinitely." According to the association's statement, the suspension was by "the unanimous vote of the WHTA board of directors and officers following receipt of information that Mr. Oliver's abuse and neglect of a Tennessee Walking Horse in his care resulted in the horse being euthanized." Chuck Cheek, WHTA attorney, said the vote was taken in a special board meeting on July 29 after they were contacted by state and court officials and were unable to reach Oliver to discuss the case. The action by the trainers' group, a professional association, will be observed by the National Horse Show Commission, which puts on the Celebration, the country's largest walking horse event, which just wrapped up in Tennessee. Cheek said that no horses were listed in Oliver's name for the Celebration. He said it is his understanding that other walking horse groups also will observe the suspension. However, he said, Oliver remains a member of the Walking Horse Trainers Association. "I think it's much more than symbolic," Cheek said of the suspension. "It's not how it impacts Mr. Oliver. It's how it promotes the protection of the horse."" Last edited on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 02:01 pm by Tator |
|||||||||||
| ||||||||||||
| Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 11:51 pm |
|
4th Post |
|
TessieB Ranch Hand 
|
Disgusting! What people need to do to win!
____________________ I scream, you scream, we all scream for a gaiting machine! |
|||||||||||
| ||||||||||||
| Posted: Sun Sep 28th, 2008 05:21 pm |
|
5th Post |
|
Ice House G.O.G Community Member
|
you guys do know he had the same thing happen again at the celebration. Now hes looking at a lifetime ban from TWHBEA and jail time. Seems he doesn't know when to take the legs wraps off and cooks them too long. Kinda sick...
|
|||||||||||
| ||||||||||||
| Posted: Sun Sep 28th, 2008 06:57 pm |
|
6th Post |
|
sheilazav G.O.G Community Member 
|
I wish we could have control of this guy for a little while. He would want to be put out of his misery when we got through with him! That poor baby was in that excrutiating, unimaginable pain and STILL had those damn pads on. Makes my heart hurt. Last edited on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 06:57 pm by sheilazav ____________________ The horse through all its trials has preserved the sweetness of paradise in its blood. ~Johannes Jensen |
|||||||||||
| ||||||||||||
| Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 01:52 am |
|
7th Post |
|
Ice House G.O.G Community Member
|
it had nothing to do with the pads- the horse was left in the stall and the wrap was left on too long - basically rotted the whole hoof off. They didnt have time to do anything just put the horse down.
|
|||||||||||
| ||||||||||||
| Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 05:04 am |
|
8th Post |
|
Brenda Im Pasture Boss 
|
Ice House: he "left the leg wraps on too long"?!!!! Are you suggesting - here, on THIS forum - that placing leg wraps with caustic substances on a horse in training is "Okey-dokey," so long as the horse isn't actually crippled? Sorry. That just doesn't fly. Pain is pain. Right is right. . .and wrong is wrong. A horse's gait should be bred in, trained to its natural innate capacity, and judged accordingly. No 'cooking' at ALL should be tolerated, nor permitted. The caustic substances. . .'grease'. . .should never be part of the equation. Why in the WORLD should a horse's 'gait' be 'enhanced' by the use of painful substances? What gives anyone the right to inflict pain for the purpose of winning a show class? Or for any other reason? Let's talk about true horsemanship, and not the abusive, despicable, egotistical B.S. that passes itself off as such in the TWH show world. I am sickened - once again. It's sad that a case such as this even has to become the 'poster child' for sored horses before people wake up to the horrors of everyday horse abuse that has for too long been the norm for the TWH industry. I shy away from becoming too vocal in the soring discussions, and prefer to shed light on how to do things the right and natural way. But your post here implies that the problem is simply that the guy didn't properly moderate the degree of pain he inflicted during training. . .and that is an unacceptable point of view on this forum. No degree of pain is acceptable in the training of horses. PB
____________________ Always forgive your enemies. It's good for you - and really messes with their heads! |
|||||||||||
| ||||||||||||
| Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 06:12 pm |
|
9th Post |
|
Ice House G.O.G Community Member
|
no im not suggesting that get your facts right lady. You are making up a bunch of crap about me and I'm threw with it. Ya know I really think you don't know half of what goes on, I sure do. I deal with these people all the time, and I can say many of these trainers you despise are my friends- no I don't agree what they do to horses is ok but never the less they are people just like you and I. I think maybe if you looked at it from their point of view you could at least understand it and NO it doesn't have to do with them wanting the best horse, it has to do with money. If we could eliminate soring all together then pads and chains wouldnt have the reputation it does. However YOU try and confuse people into thinking that pads and chains are a form of soreing. I do understand they are unnatural but I believe just the pads and chains can be adjusted to by the horse. I however despise the soreing aspect of it. Anyhow thats my opinion and you can judge me for all you like, maybe even make up a few words like you did in the last post. peace - Ice house
|
|||||||||||
| ||||||||||||
| Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 06:50 pm |
|
10th Post |
|
Brenda Im Pasture Boss
|
Sorry, IH. We do have different points of view, for sure. And I do understand these are just people, like all of us, and we all have our warts. Please try to understand that this entire site - my personal mission - is to encourage the use of only natural training methods for gaited horses. I do not villify those who use contrary practices. . .but am adamant that this site not reflect even a hint of acceptance or approval for the training practices that have created such a world of pain for our equine companions. I'm not demonizing the people - but the practices. I love the people. . .warts and all! PB
____________________ Always forgive your enemies. It's good for you - and really messes with their heads! |
|||||||||||
| ||||||||||||
| Posted: Sat Oct 4th, 2008 05:16 am |
|
11th Post |
|
redhorsemama G.O.G Community Member 
|
I think you will find that most folks on this board will agree that the stacks and chains which you say can be adjusted to by the horse are a form of abuse. This practice may still be legal but that does not make it morally acceptable, nor does it culminate in breeding practices that actually 'better' the breed. As a member of this board, I come here to visit, chat, share information and get to know folks who are of a like mind. One of the reasons I like this board is that Brenda promotes the bred-in natural gaits of our beloved gaited horses. If, as you say, many of these trainers you despise are my friends, then perhaps your opinions would be better shared on a different message board.... unfortunately, there are plenty of them available to you for the airing of your opinion. One last thing.....I saw the word despicable used only to describe the practice of soring, not the trainers themselves. Brenda and I will just have to agree to disagree about this, as I find the people who engage in this practice to be the lowest life form on the planet. In fact, I will call them despicable slugs, deserving of the same hell they inflict......as you have stated, it doesn't have to do with them wanting the best horse, it has to do with money .
____________________ RedHorseMama@Cup-a-Joe Farm Home of Kaydie, Ginger, Sunni, Raven and the much beloved and ever irascible, Joe |
|||||||||||
| ||||||||||||
| Posted: Sat Oct 4th, 2008 03:31 pm |
|
12th Post |
|
jaclyn G.O.G Community Member
|
Well said, both Brenda and redhorsemamma. My feelings exactly.
|
|||||||||||
| ||||||||||||
| Posted: Sat Oct 4th, 2008 03:38 pm |
|
13th Post |
|
jaclyn G.O.G Community Member
|
I would relish cooking Mr. Oliver's legs!!!! Would anyone want to join in? I might just leave it on a little too long,ooops.
|
|||||||||||
| ||||||||||||
| Posted: Sat Oct 4th, 2008 05:36 pm |
|
14th Post |
|
Ice House G.O.G Community Member
|
Reply to redhorse 'stacks and chains which you say can be adjusted to by the horse are a form of abuse.' - and I respect your opinion, but I have mine too. Yes a horse can and will adjust to pads and chains. No it's not natural, but a fact is that a horse can function if 'built' up correctly. It's a slow process of legging the horse up much like a weight lifter. Also the trainers that I know pay very,very close attention to when the horse is tired. They may quit after 10 minutes of riding depending on the horse. - I also want you to know that I TRAIN, SHOE, and SELL my own flatshod pleasure walking horses and all are KEG SHOD, just so you don't get any ideas to blurt out which I know you are thinking. "If, as you say, many of these trainers you despise are my friends, then perhaps your opinions would be better shared on a different message board" - Telling someone to bug off ehh? Judgeing them for who they know and then judging the people that you don't know? Very immature and also tells me that you cannot have an objective opinion. You know before I make up my mind on anything I actually get to know what goes on both sides...then actions can be taken and middle ground found. Someone who says you are wrong wahh wahh and finger points rarely gets anything done. "Brenda and I will just have to agree to disagree about this, as I find the people who engage in this practice to be the lowest life form on the planet. In fact, I will call them despicable slugs, deserving of the same hell they inflict......as you have stated, it doesn't have to do with them wanting the best horse, it has to do with money . " Sorry but this is truely 'unacceptable' to me. You know if you can't understand where these people are coming from then you end up completely offending them. To bring these people to the table and get talks starting I believe that you have to see both sides of the story. This stuff has been going on for too long and something has to be done. Your way will never get ANYTHING accomplished because they WILL ignore you and no law will be able to cover every barn where these horses are. We have to find a way to influence these people and get them to 'see' their ways rather than degrade them. However if you are a member of PETA then animals are more important than people so have at it. Last edited on Sat Oct 4th, 2008 05:45 pm by Ice House |
|||||||||||
| ||||||||||||
| Posted: Sun Oct 5th, 2008 12:34 am |
|
15th Post |
|
whattarack Pasture Boss 
|
I'm going to close this thread because it is not producing any good thing. I will quote Brenda before I close so that her words will have the final say here regarding her mission for Gaits of Gold and this message board. Thank you. Whattarack Brenda Imus Wrote:
____________________ Being Offended is Optional. |
|||||||||||
| ||||||||||||
| Current time is 10:22 pm | |
| Gaits of Gold Gaited Horse Community Messageboard > Gait Discussions > Stop the Soring! > Kentucky Horse Trainer Trial | Top |
