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| Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 07:56 pm |
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MandoHobbit G.O.G Community Member
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Yeah, the other breeds really need a look, Dixie is correct about the spotted shows, but there is a reason why the TWH gets what seems to be a disproportionate amount of attention (beyond a blatant history of soring). IMO, it is the pads and chains that keep attention fixed on the TWH when some other breeds could also use some attention. I'm not talking about what the pads and chains do or not do, but rather how they look. John Q. Public may not know much about horses, but they know at least what a horse looks like, and when they see the the pads and chains their reaction is "what the ^*% kinda shoe is that?". Put a "fixed" flat shod next to a "not fixed" padded horse and I guarantee you they will be looking sideways at the padded horse and merely think the sored-up flat shod is just talented. Yes the other breeds sore but to the general public they look normal because there is nothing like that package that visually jumps out at them.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 12:46 am |
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stormzgaitzrgr8 G.O.G Community Member 
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I've never been a horse show gal, so I'm still trying to understand the punishment part of this equation... Those caught soring or gingering (illegal practices) horses are fined or banned. Is this really toothy enough punishment for abusing an animal? If this kind of treatment were happening to a dog, for example, wouldn't an owner/trainer be risking imprisonment? And the ASPCA would be right there... making it a public issue. Why are horses less protected? Maybe 'cause my hubby is a lawyer that my first thought is toward harsh punishment for offenders...a slap-on-the-wrist fine just doesn't seem deterrant enough for those who engage in this abuse. They should be telling it to a judge! What real incentive is there now to stop these practices? The court of public opinion is too easy to ignore, IMO. Especially when ribbons are out there to be won.... (sorry, end rant)
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 01:49 pm |
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slipslider G.O.G Community Member 
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stormzgaitzrgr8 wrote: If this kind of treatment were happening to a dog, for example, wouldn't an owner/trainer be risking imprisonment? And the ASPCA would be right there... making it a public issue. Why are horses less protected? You make a valid point, but I also must say it is according where you live. More metropolitin areas do have stiffer enforcement for animial cruelty, but money problems can make it hard to enforce these laws in other places. For instance where we live, police seldom deal with animal abuse, except in extreme cases. It can even be hard to get police called in to check out calls of animal abuse. Since we are a small county with scant police protection, it is very hard to get them to deal with such cases. And unfortunately not much is done. Usually results in a fine and animals turned over to Dog pound and Judge may or may not order that they have no more animals for up to two years. Seldom do they get any real jail time. And of course the devious ones get around this. They simply move and start all over again.
____________________ LaVonne Summertime Stables, LLC |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 02:35 pm |
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ssecmft G.O.G Community Member 
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Makes you wonder if there would be any way to get a grassroots program or group that could help the officials. People you can contact to donate some time to assist. Training or such. I've inquired in our area and no one can give me any answers. The local shelters only deal with small animals. The closest place that deals with horses is Woodhull, Illinois or Cedar Rapids, Iowa, both to far for me to do any vollentering on a regular basis. We don't have 'big' shows around here much with the possible exception of the state fairs. Our problems seem to be more with people unaware of how to care for them. It seems each part of the country has it's own particular problems. This is quater horse country and I've read about some of the things they do to them too. Tying heads up in the air for hours so they drop thier heads to thier knees when they are in training. Doing things to thier tails so they won't swish them in the show ring and who knows what else. I'm sure many of them are stuck in box stalls to so the won't get any marks on them. End rant!
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 06:45 pm |
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ssecmft G.O.G Community Member
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Some of us have written about the things that are conserns with the gaited breeds. This is an article about quarter horse problems. Awful cruel. http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=12310 Last edited on Mon Jul 21st, 2008 01:03 am by ssecmft |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 07:19 pm |
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slipslider G.O.G Community Member
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I was unable to get the article to pull up on my computer, anyone else have this problem? I do know problems exist in all realms of the horse and animals in general. I have been lucky enough not too see any of this to my knowledge in the places I have shown Quarter horses. But I am sure if I went to registered shows, such as Quarter horse Congress, I would come across some of these things.
____________________ LaVonne Summertime Stables, LLC |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 08:55 pm |
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Daphne G.O.G Community Member 
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It won't open from that link because the "r" was left out of "horse". You can just type the address in adding in the "r" and get it.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 01:05 am |
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ssecmft G.O.G Community Member
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I fixed it. It will come up now.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 04:32 am |
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slipslider G.O.G Community Member
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Thanks it worked, gruesome story. My first TWH that I purchased when through something similiar before I bought him. The story goes that he had his tail cut (cut tendons) so they could use tail brace for show. Stable boy did not keep eye on him like he should have and his tail became infected. They said his whole body swelled and he was down in stall and almost died. When I bought him he was still lame. Laid him off a year from riding and then started back slow. He did pretty well after that. I later sold him.
____________________ LaVonne Summertime Stables, LLC |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 04:37 pm |
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crs trail rider Ranch Hand 
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I am constantly appalled at the lengths people will go to "win" at the expense of animals (or even other people). I am new to the gaited horses and have spent about 16 years riding stock horses. My first horse (I still have her) is well bred and moved really well. I was working with her planning to take her to a breed show (shes an appy) and a well known trainer in my area started telling me all the things I should be doing to get her to go slower. All of them were hard on the horse. I didnt do any of them. They "felt" too mean- and I couldnt do it to her. I love my horses and "listen" to them constantly to what they are telling me with their body language. All breeds are guilty of abuses in the name of showing. From fake tails (which I think it just plain silly) to draw reins, tying horses up with exaggerated head levels or bends, pads, chains, four beat lope, tail sets, unnatural head sets etc...It has to stop. Riding a horse should be a joy, the high point of your day or week, an experience of mutual communication between you and your horse. It should not cause your horse or yourself pain or stress. Points off for ringing a tail, honestly, it could be a horse fly, or the horse could be in pain. Placing one because its tail is longer and fuller, dont even get me started. I quit showing due to many of the abuses to the horses and the politics involved in showing. I much prefer spending time with my horses riding and loving on them. But as long as there is money to be made by cheating it wont stop. The ones that make the champions are the judges they need to be at the forefront of any change. If they dont pin it then the trainers will quit trying to acheive it. End rant-sorry so long
____________________ Its rarely the horses fault- Its usually a failure of the rider to communicate their requests in a manner that the horse can understand. Lisa |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31st, 2008 05:16 pm |
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winddanceragain G.O.G Community Member 
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Some of you may recall Boo, jbears gaited mare? She's ASB shes also now 27 years young. You may also recall my post of my first ride on a gaited horse was BOO, She felt as if she had roller skates on. She is a five gaiter and a singl2 foot to die for and never misses a "lick". Jbear and she have been together for 25 years. I am having much heart felt pain posting this...... We are coming close to having to help Boo cross the rainbow trail. But untill she tells us its time for her to go, we are still enjoying one anothers friendship. Tinker is Boo's last foal. Tinker was a 13 YO maiden mare and lost her foal this spring. We don't breed back in foal heat. Maybe next spring we will try again, Vet said Tinker is find. We don't want to loss Boo's blood line.
____________________ "Lose your temper and you lose a friend; lie and you lose yourself." Hopi |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31st, 2008 07:31 pm |
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Daphne G.O.G Community Member
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My heart is with you. We had to make that decision for my son's mare back in June. She was 29 and the best horse you could have ever asked for. She carried my son many wonderful, joyful miles with our complete trust. Deciding when the time was right to say good-bye and then letting her go was the hardest thing I had ever done.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 05:35 am |
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runswithcochise G.O.G Community Member
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 Hey winddancer,How are you doing? We have been so busy, it's not even funny! The hubby and I are still wanting to come up there very soon. How is everyone? Has anything happened to Boo, lately? We miss ya'll, bad!! Hope you had a good Labor Day. love, runswithcochise Last edited on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 05:36 am by runswithcochise |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 04:47 pm |
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JoyRider G.O.G Community Member 
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Hi Wind! Good to hear from you. I know you stay so very busy these days! I know if a horse has been given a good life in this world it would be any one of yours!! 
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 04:04 pm |
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Meekie G.O.G Community Member 
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Just read this thread and It seems to me that we are going at it in the wrong way. IT should be the judging of these animals that is changed. IF the BIG LICK does not place it would soon disappear! The judging rules and placings is what needs to change. Just my opion!
____________________ Happy Trails to you...Debby |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 07:52 pm |
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ssecmft G.O.G Community Member
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I've read a few articles about how things seem to have changed. Inspectors, they say, will now be vets. Apparently there is only supposed to be the inspector and 1 person to handle the horse while they are being checked before going into the ring and random checks when leaving the ring. There was also something about the judges. Something about getting rid of the 'good ole' boy' system. I would love to see thousands of dollars in fines, so called 'packages' outlawed, any licences or whatever revoked for life for all breeds of horses and all proceeds donated to legal rescues through out the country benefit, but I'm sure that's just wishful thinking.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 5th, 2008 10:41 pm |
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Nelliebly G.O.G Community Member 
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JoyRider wrote: I was thinking about Whatta's question. I was reading on the Jackson's website (owners of Champagne Watchout) and this lady had written in about something I have wondered about also. She had purchased a horse that had worn stacks and he had some scars. She took him off the stacks and wanted to show him flatshod. On account of the old scars, she cannot show him. According to her, some BL folks told her she could get rid of those scars (laser, or some chemical to burn them off?). But this was something she did not want to put her horse through. That was her gripe, people are learning how to get rid of the scars and continue showing. Yet, she wanted to show her horse sound and not use these what she considered painful methods to rid the horse of the scars, and couldn't show. This lady made some good points. I sympathize with the lady, I do. But think of all the other contestants who want to show a horse that has never been sored... Sored horses rarely ever lose their animated pickup, and most keep flinging their front feet out. Natural walkers don't do that. Which horse do you think wins a class 9 out of 10 times?
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 09:29 pm |
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JoyRider G.O.G Community Member
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That is a good point also. I personally did not know if they revert back to natural gaiting or if that stayed imprinted in them for good. Seems I have heard it both ways. Of course I know the toll it takes on their overall soundness. I wasn't saying people should be allowed to show scarred animals as it would be impossible to pin point when, where and who. I was just open to look on the flip side I guess. Glad I don't have these worries 
____________________ Revelation 19:11 |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2008 03:27 pm |
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Nelliebly G.O.G Community Member
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JoyRider wrote: That is a good point also. I personally did not know if they revert back to natural gaiting or if that stayed imprinted in them for good. Seems I have heard it both ways. Of course I know the toll it takes on their overall soundness. I wasn't saying people should be allowed to show scarred animals as it would be impossible to pin point when, where and who. I was just open to look on the flip side I guess. Glad I don't have these worries I've seen quite a few in shows in Florida, where they competed against horses that clearly had been trained and used as flatshod only. The ex-sored, ex-padded, ex-chain trained, all kept their animation and the flinging of the front feet. However, most were also excellent gaiters. When these are put against excellent flatshod gaiters, they usually win due to the judges' and audience's preferences. Sad truth is that it does give them an advantage. Maybe eventually the various organizations can come up with a system where these horses can be filtered out, and shown in classes of their own. After all, it's not the horse's fault, nor the new owner's fault.
____________________ Rack on home, "Wild Man" Joe |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2008 04:48 pm |
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JoyRider G.O.G Community Member
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Do you know or rather I should say have you also heard that people are using methods to rid the horses of the scars?
____________________ Revelation 19:11 |
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