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| Posted: Thu Mar 13th, 2008 08:52 pm |
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twhsandy G.O.G Community Member
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Please go to http://www.twhbea.com to read a letter about how they are financially strapped. It's under the News section, the financial status report and the announcement about the state of the association. Very interesting! Not sure the implications of this, but praying it will turn out to be good for the TWH, in some way put an end to soring. Thoughts please. (I tried to copy and paste, must be doing something wrong.) sandy--
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13th, 2008 09:02 pm |
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McKTX G.O.G Community Member 
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Thanks for posting the link, an interesting read. I have not followed what has been going on in the courtrooms, only what has been mentioned here on the board. I don't show and not interested in showing horses, so I don't know enough to read between the lines, but something is written there! Carol
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13th, 2008 09:40 pm |
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Afubar G.O.G Community Member 
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They wasted all that money to win one little point in that law suit and now are crying about how broke they are. To Bad, they sure aren't getting any more money from me, I'll registed my guys with NWHA.
____________________ On the 8th day, God said "Horses Shall Not Trot"! And the Good horses listened!!! |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13th, 2008 09:51 pm |
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twhsandy G.O.G Community Member
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Must admit I'm having a hard time not gloating over this! (He,he!)
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15th, 2008 12:27 am |
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twhstone G.O.G Community Member 
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I don't think the law suit had much to do with the financial problems. Financial issues started when the big bucks trainers and owners stopped supporting the association. The Voice got really thin for awhile because no one was taking out ads and suddenly there were articles etc for the flat shod horse. I think the industry is trying to change but there is no money supporting the change. The money is in the padded show horses and the backyard people and some flat shod people don't support the association. While I don't blame them, I also believe that it will help perpetuate the padded horse. With no one supporting and fighting for a flat shod association that promotes sound horses it will continue to be ruled by the padded group.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15th, 2008 01:59 pm |
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lastchance Ranch Hand 
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If everyone who ownes a flat shod, sound, trail TWH joined TWHBEA imagine the power we would have. How many directors who share our views could be voted in? I don't like the padded horse anymore than the rest of you but you have to look at the big picture. If you don't join, you can't vote or voice your opinion. Change is happening but it would be much faster if everyone who loves/promotes the flat shod horse got involved. Love 'em or hate 'em TWHBEA has made pretty good progress in the last few years. Working with Best of America by Horseback last year and now partnering with the National Parks Service this year had done a lot to promote the breed. Jen
____________________ Friends don't let friends ride trotting horses! |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15th, 2008 04:40 pm |
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JoyRider G.O.G Community Member 
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Jen, you are right on the money. Why anyone can't see that is beyond me. It is just like griping about the government but not voting.
____________________ Revelation 19:11 |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15th, 2008 09:09 pm |
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twhstone G.O.G Community Member
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I agree completely and know that if ever there was a time to act t is probably now. If people don't work on the organization then it is left to be run by the padded horse and will continue on status quo. This last election we did see sound flat shod people added to the board. In one of the meetings it was stated that "we could lose the performance horse." This was printed in the voice and as far as I'm concerned those within TWHBEA need to keep pushing this. If you aren't a memeber and don't vote then you really are powerless. To me joining another organization won't help either. It just divides those of us fighting for the same thing and we end up with less voice at THWBEA than if everyone would join and keep trying to change. The arguement that it will never change doesn't hold for me because there have been changes. It just takes time.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15th, 2008 09:28 pm |
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Brenda Im Pasture Boss 
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I'm going to make these points in the next Going 4-Gait Gold NL. It's important that we support TWBEA as they go through this difficult transition phase. You KNOW those BL trainers are gloating. . .let's not give them anything to gloat over. PB 
____________________ Always forgive your enemies. It's good for you - and really messes with their heads! |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16th, 2008 10:33 pm |
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lastchance Ranch Hand
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I read that line about loosing that padded horse in a report printed in this months Voice. My first thought, "and that would be a bad thing?"  Jen
____________________ Friends don't let friends ride trotting horses! |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17th, 2008 06:24 am |
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twhsandy G.O.G Community Member
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So you are a member of TWHBEA Brenda?--
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17th, 2008 01:20 pm |
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JoyRider G.O.G Community Member
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My horse came with those papers as most do that are registered. I am not ashamed of Shadow's parentage only those people involved with any hanky panky. I am thinking about sending my money so I can have a voice and there is strength in numbers. Why let them run off the overall majority of TWH owners whose horses are registered with them and not padded or anything related in any form or fashion????
____________________ Revelation 19:11 |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25th, 2008 11:04 pm |
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Afubar G.O.G Community Member
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twhstone stated, "I don't think the law suit had much to do with the financial problems." Well the below was taken from their website - Earlier this month, John T. Bobo, Mike Inman and I met with Mr. Charles Bone, Mr. Stephen Zralick and Ms. Natalya Rose of Bone, McAllister & Norton, the law firm representing TWHBEASM in the NWHA copyright lawsuit, to start negotiations on payments owed to the firm. As most of you know by now, TWHBEASM was awarded $31,000 as a result of the action from the judge in the trial that ruled in TWHBEA’s favor on direct copyright infringement by the National Walking Horse Association. After receiving the ruling, our lawyers sought attorney’s fees and recently received an additional $150,000 for a total of $181,000. At this time our current outstanding debt to Bone, McAllister, and Norton is $216,000 and the firm refuses to release the assets to TWHBEASM until their debt is settled. We have paid the firm approximately $740,000 to date and are trying to negotiate a payment schedule at this time. TWHBEA’s Sanctioning Plan, like it or not, has cost the association over $235,000 since its inception. This Executive Committee has had to stop the bleeding. We are considering everything possible to reduce operating cost. We have discontinued the 1-800 service, we have discontinued our trash service for a cheaper one, we have terminated service contracts, all in the name of doing the necessary things to save money and being fiscally responsible to our members. TWHBEA’s reserves have fallen from $1.5 million to $150,000. It costs our association $150,000 a month just to operate. If they have paid out to the lawyers 740.000 out of their reserves of 1,500,000. there's just about half of the money right there. And all they recovered was 31,000 plus 150,000.00 in attorney’s fees. I think it's pretty clear where the money went. Terrible mismanagement on the part of the TWHBEA.
____________________ On the 8th day, God said "Horses Shall Not Trot"! And the Good horses listened!!! |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26th, 2008 07:49 pm |
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Nelliebly G.O.G Community Member 
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Brenda Im wrote: I'm going to make these points in the next Going 4-Gait Gold NL. It's important that we support TWBEA as they go through this difficult transition phase. You KNOW those BL trainers are gloating. . .let's not give them anything to gloat over.Your support means a lot, Brenda!
____________________ Rack on home, "Wild Man" Joe |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26th, 2008 07:57 pm |
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Nelliebly G.O.G Community Member
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Afubar wrote: ... Had the BL breeders not been withholding their support and ads, the TWHBEA would not have had to touch their reserves. Other than that: The copyright issue was the main point. Defending a copyright is not cheap, which is why it isn't done all that often. Should it happen that they need to defend it again at a later time, it will be cheaper based on this ruling. You call it mismanagement, I call it good for them, to stand on - and defend - their exclusive right to copy.
____________________ Rack on home, "Wild Man" Joe |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25th, 2008 05:19 am |
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tellus G.O.G Community Member
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I agree with Brenda and those of you that support the TWHBEA during the transition. My reasons: It was important in the past to shun the organization when soring was commonplace. But apparently the efforts of you all have been successful in making the organization re-think its ways; the efforts served their purpose. Its time to ease up on the factions within the breed because the several factions of the breed is draining it. If people are truly willing to change as requested they should be forgiven and supported. The financial straits of the TWHBEA means it will be open to new ideas as long as TWHBEA is making an effort to become humane it should be supported to develop a new image for walkers and new directions. The TWHBEA has an important history with the walking horse that should not vaporize and we need to get behind the organization with the historical registry. I also think its important time to help visualize what will promote the longevity and sustainability of the breed into the future, in other words promoting the walking horse for the many uses and pleasures it has; and be open to disciplines other than our own favorite area. Most other breeds have shows that combine many different riding disciplines without animosity between them. Although I wish I could do more financially I am simply a member that will join their distance program to put in my two cents. Does this make sense?
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26th, 2008 12:22 pm |
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Nelliebly G.O.G Community Member
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Yes, it does make sense ;)
____________________ Rack on home, "Wild Man" Joe |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28th, 2008 06:35 pm |
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Brenda Im Pasture Boss
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I heard some interesting news while kibuttzing with some friends who are in close contact with current TWHBEA management. It seems they are working with Middle TN University on some cutting edge technology that will eliminate the chance of any sore horse getting into the show ring. Perhaps we'll hear more, soon. . . Meantime, yes, I am a member of TWHBEA. For awhile I thought of dropping off the membership roles, but realized that if sound horse advocates do that, we're leaving the field wide open for all the Big Lick (and other unsound) trainers. TWHBEA serves an important function in the industry, and I'd hate to see everyone throw the baby out with the bathwater. If we don't support the Association, they will have no choice but to either disband. . .or again find a way to cater to those on the other side of the sound horse dispute. For gosh sakes, send the Association a few bucks for membership, and don't be afraid to be heard! They're really hurting for money, and fighting for survival. They're trying now to do the right thing - why make it any harder than it already is? Just my opinion. PB
____________________ Always forgive your enemies. It's good for you - and really messes with their heads! |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2008 02:41 am |
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appyrider46
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This might sound like an odd Question but why are they so against letting their horses show natural? I own a Tenn Walker ( Moonlight Cimmaron ) out of Trace of Moonlight , alot of well known names in my boys background .. I would never show nor, do I have the experience to do so .. I just wonder why they cannot see what this does to their horses..  Last edited on Thu May 1st, 2008 04:29 am by |
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| Posted: Sun May 4th, 2008 01:11 am |
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JoyRider G.O.G Community Member
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Yes Appy, some are so ready to repeat the sins of their fathers and thump their Bibles while they do it. This pertains to people from all places.
____________________ Revelation 19:11 |
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