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 Posted: Sun Apr 25th, 2010 01:52 pm
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Clouds Mystique
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You're well able to do your own research. There's plenty out there. You cannot debunk my claims just by stating that they're all just speculation.

Here is some information on hoof angles and laminitis...
http://www.thehorse.com/images/content/BGLS2007/lorenzo_sidebar.htm
http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=9471

Again, Saddlebreds do have longer toes and shorter heels than most other breeds, but not nearly as much as a Walker. It's more comparable to a Morgan or Hackney. Do you hear people up in arms about those breeds? You sure don't. And it's because Morgans, Hackneys, and Saddlebreds, unlike Walkers, were BRED to move the way they do. The trimming and shoeing slightly enhances it, the same way you enhance any other show horse in any other discipline.




The claim that TWHs were bred to move like that is complete bullshit.

This is what a WGC TWH looked like 65 years ago:
http://www.twhheritagesociety.com/Midnight%20Sun.jpg-for-web-normal.jpg

You simply cannot change a breed that drastically in such a short amount of time just by breeding. It's just not possible.



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 Posted: Sun Apr 25th, 2010 04:10 pm
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Im so glad you posted these articles.  However I am not a member to read the article but can comment on the pictures.  These show that a horse out of balance will effect the blood flow.  However this has nothing to do padded horse- just horse out of balance.  The whole change in the walking horse industry is to balance the feet- especially when padding.  There was a problem before, but I believe these trainers/shoers are finally getting on the right track taking care of the feet.

I cannot debunk your theories, but you cannot prove them either.  I will say I have a hard time believing that you know more than 5 veterinarians and a room full of farriers that have been shoeing TWH for their careers.

My claims that they are bred to move like this come from extensive work for one of the top breeders in the TWH industry.  This man has a herd of over 150 well bred horses and has currently 13 foals on the ground.  I can attest that the backend is an inherited movement.  When you see a foal sitting down doing a runwalk overstriding it brings chillbumps to your skin.  Is it as exagerrated as performance walking?  Of coarse not!  But the overstride and twisting crooked back legs are there. 

But thank you for your rudeness toward me and my breed.  It is my hope that people can come to realize that extremism on any side is detrimental to the horse industry as a whole.

I hope you go on and enjoy your saddlebreds and have fun. 

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 Posted: Sun Apr 25th, 2010 04:21 pm
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Clouds Mystique
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I have absolutely no problem with Walkers. I love the breed. I have a problem with the blatant abuse that goes on despite the many efforts to stop it. If that's what you're defending, you're in the wrong forum.



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 Posted: Sun Apr 25th, 2010 04:33 pm
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Here we go again.  This forum is against pads and chains in general.  That includes SADDLEBREDS.  And if a claim that heavy weights are detrimental to a gaited horse, then they are detrimental to a racking saddlebred also.

So if YOU are defending the action devices of saddlebreds then YOU are in the wrong forum l1.


Cheers    Ice House


PS- In the presentation by Andrew Elsbree, he shows a case where a saddlebred had been let show in the same package until his hoof had literally deteriated, simply because the trainer was winning and didnt want to take a chance altering movement.  This is a former AFA president, I think he has the horse's best intrest in mind.  This kind of abuse takes place everywhere and its the PERSON not the INDUSTRY that should be punished.


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 Posted: Sun Apr 25th, 2010 04:43 pm
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Eh, except that Saddlebreds are actually in compliance with the HPA. Do you see more than half of the competitors being disqualified in any class at Louisville? Do you hear about there being over 400 violations at ONE show? No, you sure don't.

I didn't come to this forum to learn about Saddlebreds. I'm not even involved with them anymore. I came here because of my MFT. I still don't see why you're here.



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 Posted: Sun Apr 25th, 2010 04:45 pm
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Eh except saddlebreds arent inspected like walking horses are either :).


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I once went to a saddle seat clinic where the trainer explained that using stretchies are similar to a person using a resistance band. He also said that when he uses them he tries to make it fun for the horse by getting a couple horses in the arena at a time and having them trot around together and play games.
Everyone has different opinions about saddle seat but I liked this trainer because he wanted to enhance what the horse has naturally, not create something artificial. This is also my goal for my own horse. I want show off what he has naturally through proper collection and exercise, not through shoes or less tasteful methods. 

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