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| Posted: Tue Sep 19th, 2006 02:08 am |
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DinValid1 G.O.G Community Member
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A 10 ounce chain is an illegal weight of chain. There is a study in their literature cited. Maybe there was another study done. I'll try to get ahold of the TWHBEA but they are pretty swamped right now. It's in one of their brochures on the padded horse. As a youth I rode a 17 year old padded horse that had been padded since he was 2 and he had no problems whatsoever. Also, look at all of our classic horses(classic horse=horse over 15). You can't have tendonitis and do the gait. The horse must be in tip top condition to perform padded or it will show. Also, a horse cannot pass inspections with lesions under any circumstances (not even a small callous can pass!). So why would trainers do something to the horse that makes it unpassable. You can't start a horse that has never had pads on with a large pad and load it up with weight!! I don't know if during this study the horse was gradually worked up to a larger pad or not. Lesions would not have passed even 10+ years ago. Have you looked at a voice or been to a padded horse show? I see no hoof abnormalities. In addition it was not mentioned whether a lubricant was used when working the horse. I've personally used martins medicated show grease as a lubricant and it works great! My horses feet are perfect. A show horse is only ridden for 15 minutes per day which is probably a lot shorter than a lay person would work them. If you want pads banned because you feel that they put strain on the horse. You'll have to ban horse racing and barrel racing as well. There are greater injuries in those fields. Also, do you realize that the CNN report was done 20 years ago!! Than again I am on an all natural site complaining about this, but you all have the topic. I don't mean tobe cruel, but maybe you all should focus on commanding more money for your horses and try to draw more of a crowd to your shows. Maybe more people would be interested in pleasure horses then. Last edited on Tue Sep 19th, 2006 03:45 am by DinValid1 |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19th, 2006 04:03 am |
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twhsandy G.O.G Community Member
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Of course you'd prefer not to have to defend the breed, let the celebration of cruelty continue, and nothing change. Well lady, don't count on it. It isn't the breed that needs defending, it's the inhumane practices done to the breed you try to defend. So too much attention being called to the problem at the Celebration, people being hit in the pocketbook? Well good, whatever it takes to stop the Celebration of Cruelty! I couldn't care less if the sore/stack people starve, personally. Soring and stacking is dying, get over it.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19th, 2006 05:11 am |
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Fargos Handmaiden G.O.G Community Member
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Let's keep the discourse reasonably friendly. It only makes the other side dig in their heels if they feel battered. But the reason I brought up the CNN report again is because you brought up the Auburn Study, which another padded horse enthusiast brought up stating it was their proof that pads did not hurt the horses. And yes, it was 20 years ago, but Time Magazine said essentially the same in a very recent article. Unless that study is a second one, done by the same university, and done more recently, there is a discrepency in what CNN reported that study said and what you are saying. But I have to say, horses are ALL ABOUT MOVEMENT, and frankly counter-arguments being given to us that are supposed to make us feel better...i.e. horses aren't being chemmed any more...don't, when we're told instead that the horse is only worked 15-20 minutes a day or that the curly hair on the legs is not from chems but from grease to keep the chains from leaving marks and from being being wrapped to keep the horses from "stocking up" because they are required to stay in their stalls an inappropriate amount of time for the health of the animal. Actually I think what many of us are trying to do is to defend the breed. Tennessee Walkers are more than padded horses. There is nothing more beautiful than seeing a TW so relaxed in his gait that he moves down the trail or around a show ring without sweating profusely or snorting or looking wild-eyed. Yes, I have been to TW padded shows and been in a few show barns, and unfortunately followed the advice of a few when I first got my horse. It never ceases to amaze me how quickly the padded horses get lathered up and sweaty with only a few turns around the ring when all the walkers I know can move down a trail at a good clip, maybe some sweat but almost never heavy breathing or exhaustion at the end of a pretty grueling 5 hour trail ride. There is something wrong here. And by the way, I don't like the heavy plantation shoes either. I believe the vast majority of TW owners feel they have nothing in common and cannot connect with an organization that promotes padded horses, fills their magazine cover to cover with them at the neglect of those activities that do appeal to the majority of TW owners, versatility, flat shod, trail events, etc. I believe if TWHBEA would see the light, reorganize to meet the needs and concerns of the majority of TW breeders, I think their membership would be stronger. The American Quarter Horse Association, American Paint Horse Association both have very impressive membership numbers and certainly aren't short on the number of shows and show enthusiasts in their organizations. Their shows are diverse and represent the wide interests of their membership. Hmmmm, and no padded horses...
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19th, 2006 10:39 am |
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gaitingal Ranch Hand 
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...an ounce on the hoof = a pound on the shoulder... --Debbie in GA
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19th, 2006 01:20 pm |
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DinValid1 G.O.G Community Member
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I don't sore my horses and they probably live better than I do. There are problems on both sides. The USDA said that a callous was o.k. for a sport horse like the TWHs to have, but no scars. Before the Celebration everyone was getting along. Then 2 weeks before the Celebration they change the rules and didn't update their literature or their website. Now not even a small callous that most people can't see is unpassable. It could have been handled better on both sides. Go to a performance barn and I believe many of the bad opinions that you have of the industry will be dispelled. I noticed that someone posted on here earlier that on our message board that padded people resorted to personal attacks. That's the pot calling the kettle black. I'm telling you about my personal experiences and I'm trying to educate. I don't participate in name calling contests. If you go to the TWHBEA site they do promote the pleasure horse quite ardently. There is an entire section on there just for pleasure and versatility, but we recognize that all of the divisions are important. I have noticed that most of the negative articles in magazines are written by people that have never seen nor interacted with a padded horse before and based on bias observation. Feel good stories don't sell magazines. Reporters enjoy spinning things toward the negative for their bottom line. I think that I'll just sign off now. I just felt my side should be heard. In closing I have attached a picture of Generator's Showboat at 12. He was padded from 2 and look how fantastic he looks. The horse is in great shape. You can find many, many examples of horses like him. Attachment: generatorsshowboat2.jpg (Downloaded 175 times) Last edited on Tue Sep 19th, 2006 01:57 pm by DinValid1 |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19th, 2006 02:44 pm |
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twhsandy G.O.G Community Member
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There are many, many TWH who have problems from their show days, I have two ex-show horses, am battling their severe arthritis, pasturn, and thrush now. I have never shown my horses, those days are over forever for them. I have a stepdaughter who was a sore/stack person. I've seen all of this first hand, the soring/stacking, and lasting problems from all of it. I don't need "educating." The sore/stack people believe their own lies, and are trying to "eduate" (placate) people who don't know first hand. So sad for the horses, who have no voice in all this. Wish CNN could interview a horse at a BL barn.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19th, 2006 02:59 pm |
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DinValid1 G.O.G Community Member
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The horse's hoof is sealed airtight to the pad. It prevents thrush. The horse's hoof is held out of the rain, slush, fungus by the pad which is a very good barrier. Now if you get an idiot farrier that doesn't seal the hoof to the pad properly that will cause thrush, but most of the farriers in Tennessee are experts at putting on pads. I have a friend who pads his pleasure horse in the winter to prevent it from getting thrush. My horses have never had thrush ever. You are attributing any/all problems with your horses to their show days and I'd say that is not the case. Your retired show horses could have gotten their problems from something else: improper training, neglect, etc. There are rotten apples out there I'm not denying that, but these are my experiences and I am nothing if not honest. Also I live in the walking horse capital of the world. These people are experts at what they do. They want to keep the horse as healthy as possible and showing for as long as possible. I've seen neglected pleasure horses that are starved and never ridden out in the pasture. Am I supposed to assume that all pleasure people who don't show their horses don't care about their upkeep because they aren't making as much money off of them. That's insane and am I supposed to hold you accountable (person who loves and takes good care of their pleasure horse) accountable for your neighbors actions. I don't think so. Last edited on Tue Sep 19th, 2006 03:50 pm by DinValid1 |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19th, 2006 04:37 pm |
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We have an 11 y.o. mare and 9 y.o. gelding. Both currently are shown in lite shod division. Both were originally padded show horses before they made the switch to lite shod with us. Both of these aged horses are sound and have absolutely NO arthritis. Both have been x-rayed by a top notch DVM. We also have a 17 y.o. who I showed plantation for years. He also was a padded horse prior to my purchasing him. Once again, NO lameness issues. We use him for trail and he gets to still show once in a while. My neighbors board and have a barn full of pricey QH's. Some are Reiners, some WP. They are the biggest bunch of crippled up gimps I"ve seen. Hocks and stifles getting injected regulary, Adequan shots, bute, chiropractors, massage therapist are all everyday fare over there. There are 3 and 4 y.o.'s that are getting injected routinely just to get them through one show. All you hear over there is "he's sore up front" or he's sore behind" or how they have the accupunture guy coming out the week before the big show. OK, before I listen to the "you shouldn't care about what the QH people do" crap and the "only worry about what the TWH do!", I'll just say this: I have never had to have a TWH injected, nobody's on Adequan and the biggest thing I do is give the old gentleman (the 17 y.o.) a joint supplement w/ MSM and glucosamine for prevention. I wouldn't want thier problems.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23rd, 2006 04:44 am |
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Brenda Im Pasture Boss 
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This is a natural action gaited horse site/Message Board. I'm closing the topic, becaue anyone who wants to see the truth of soring/padding/chaining/big lick action. . .WILL. Those who don't, WON'T. We're not out to change minds, as that's a short term change. Those who don't see the problem with BL and unnatural going horses need a change of HEART. We can't change your hearts, but love you all anyway. Subject: closed. PB 
____________________ Always forgive your enemies. It's good for you - and really messes with their heads! |
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