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Frustrating!  I went to that website and signed the petition but then it wanted my facebook info.  I don't use facebook and therefore don't have an account.

I know at the last QH show in Augusta, NJ - our state fair - the place was crawling with ASPCA officials.  Why not contact them to patrol at gaited shows?  If they are not aware of the situation (and I find that hard to believe) inform them of what to look for and then make sure that they enforce it.  Personally, that is what I'm going to do next summer.  The ASPCA is very active here in NJ and I think that a lot of it comes from the pressure from the people who care.  It used to be that Sussex County had more horses and cows than people.  Sadly, I think that that is changing with dairy farmers forced out and selling to developers.  Horse owners/farms are being micromanaged by the state and standardbred layovers are no longer a tax deduction.  Bit by bit we're being forced out of "THE GARDEN STATE".  Go figure!

By the way that Chockie travels I doubt if he has ever experienced these tortures but that just makes me love him even more because now I consider him one of the 'saved' ones.  He such a sweet little man.  It's hard to believe that he's only been here for two weeks today.  He has just fit in so nicely with everyone else here and I know now that 'he was the one for me.'

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GR, I got to it from Facebook, the URL was
http://apps.facebook.com/petitions/8/stop-inhumane-soringpadding-gaited-horses/

From the homepage of the org., I think you could do a search under 'animal welfare'. The title of the petition is "Stop inhumane soring/padding of gaited horses". Hope this helps; I am not much of a computer whiz!



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Hi cedarbarn,

I went to the website but there were so many petitions!  Where do I look (which category)?

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Here is a link to a "Stop the Soring" petition going around:

STOP INHUMANE SORING/PADDING GAITED HORSES #2 - The Petition Site
http://www.thepetitionsite.com
We collected already more than 2.400 signatures and want to renew this petition to reach our goal... (1160 signatures on petition)

You can also post to Facebook, etc.


Didn't realize when I posted this that the petition is from a website that does nothing but send out petitions for 'causes'; not a bad thing in itself, but this morning I had more email from them. Now I suspect this is just another slick way of getting email addresses to sell.......shoulda read the fine print!

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I'm halfway through "Training The Gaited Horse" by Gary Lane.  I want to finish that one first since I take notes while I read.  Won't take me long.  I keep peeking at "The Gaited Horse Bible"!

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GoldRush wrote: I just received the second, undamaged copy of Brenda's book and since we're in for yet another major storm tomorrow I should have some time to read. 
Just got my copy too of the new book... love it!  Even my boyfriend who never reads "instructions" has been reading it, and then telling me.... "did you know... ".  So the book is getting worn out from both of us :)

 

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Thanks, Noelle.  I just received the second, undamaged copy of Brenda's book and since we're in for yet another major storm tomorrow I should have some time to read.  I like your idea of the shadow.  I know this is going to be a major learning curve for me.  I'm going to have to be patient.

Chockie was very quiet and reserved when he first got here almost two weeks ago.  Now he comes when I call him - we were told that he was hard to catch - and follows both Jim and me around when we're working out back.  He's still turned out in the arena where he can visit with the other horses but can't get hurt by them.  Today I caught him thinking about going into Proof's stall again so I said, "Come on.  It's almost time to come in.  I closed the side door so that I could open his stall door, move the bucket of water out of the way (meant for one of the horses out back) and turn the lights on.  The entire time he stood there looking through the door!  Once he had something to eat though, he started calling to the other horses and it was anything but quiet!  He needs this time to learn to get along with other horses, play and be loved.  I brushed his mane today and you could tell he was enjoying the attention.  I'm just going to keep working with him until the ground is safe enough to ride on.  I actually could have walked him - later on in the afternoon the surface of the arena where Jim plows was starting to get a little muddy.  Spring will be here soon. 

GR

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GoldRush wrote: I've been doing some reading about the different gaits but how can you tell when you're in the saddle which gait is which?

I keep reading about how people oriented this breed is but I'm only seeing the tip of the iceberg, so to speak, with Chockie. 

GR,

If you read through Brenda's articles on the Home page, there are quite a few on recognizing gaits, and also what gaits are suited for which breed.  From the ground watching, I have gotten better at determining this.  From the saddle, it does take paying more attention to little clues, like head shake, tail set, hearing the footfall, if you feel "lateral" movement (pacing?)... or more hind push off.  I found one tool I love.  I watch our shadow riding together on the road.  If I time the ride so we head back at late afternoon, we get a long stretch on the dirt road with a good full shadow right beside us. 

Also, each breed has different gaits they are best suited for. 

I am learning for my TWH to make him push off his hind, and not use his shoulders.  It seems he paces more using his shoulders as we build up speed or consistent movement, which I don't want him to do.  Keeping him pushing off his hind, seems to keep him in a running walk or rack. 

With the flat walk, running walk and rack, the three gaits I attempt to keep my TWH in, I can often tell by the footfall (never lateral on the same side, but almost unevenly timed, with one hind almost matching the opposite foreleg), the nod of his head, the set of his tail, and how it sounds, and getting better at how it should feel.  I think this gets easier to figure as you try to ride in better form and keep the truest gait for that breed.

On getting attached... it will happen.  Some horses are in your pocket right off, but with all my three geldings now, it took a little time being their leader, and now they show their love openly.

 

 

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I did send him an email, and he responded right back.  What a nice guy.  He doesn't have anything right now, but he's keeping his eye open for me.  He's probably only about 1/2 hour away from me.

Thanks again Lisa.

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They wont know my name- I never made it out there. Marianne Jolley was the one who sent me the info. Stuart Wickham is a friend of mine and I think a friend of the farm owner and bought his rocky from there.

He said that he had really nice horses too- but Lindsay decided on Bella before we made the trip.



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Thanks Lisa; South Boston is fairly close to me.  I may well go check this out; or at least call and see what they have.  I will mention your name.

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The breeder (see my last post here) is in Southern Va.
Not sure of breeders near you. There are several really good mountain horse groups on fb. rocky mountain horse lovers is a good one- and you can get many questions about the breed answered by people that have been involved with the breed much much longer than I have.



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Forgot to mention that I would love the name of the breeder you mentioned.  I'm in Sussex County New Jersey, by the state fairgrounds.

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My first mare, Top Hat's Miss was an appendix registered Appaloosa/QH from Texas.  She had a running walk that you could ride all day long and we often did.

I've been doing some reading about the different gaits but how can you tell when you're in the saddle which gait is which?

I keep reading about how people oriented this breed is but I'm only seeing the tip of the iceberg, so to speak, with Chockie.  I think that (hope that) he just wasn't exposed to a lot of affection in the past.  I'm trying to make up for that now but not doing such a swell job of it.  I haven't left the house in several days.  It snowed all day yesterday and then rained on top of it today.  I spent about 30 seconds trying to shovel before I gave up.  I have enough food to wait out the spring thaw but not enough parrot seed and cat food.  So where exactly is this global warming, hmmm?

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here is the email that my friend Marianne sent me. She has Rocky's and use to breed. Her horses were out of my price range (no more than 3k) but she saw this one.

Hi Lisa,

We were at a horse show in the rain today and Jim Blanks from Alton (near South Boston) had a really sweet chocolate mare with a light flaxen mane and tail that he had a friend show today. I can't remember her age but he said she is perfect for a young rider and a great trail horse. They brought her to the show and a friend decided at the last minute to put her in the ring... never rode her before and as far as I know the horse had never been in the ring before... she did great and got pinned in a class of 8! She is very pretty too. And the price is within your budget!

Here is his web site... I think this horse is one of his brood mares on the web page.

http://harmonysrockyfarm.com/

If you contact Jim, tell him I let you know about this horse so he will know who you are. I had told him you were looking possibly for a horse for Lindsey...


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That would be great.  I am not willing to pay a ton; I had to give away the last horse I paid too much for because he was nutsyl1  you may remember my posts on Smokey.  Anyway, I lost Midnight to liver cancer this summer, and now Rocky, my TWH has arthritis, and so I'm down two.

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Dixie- Jenny is a RMH. My daughters horse is too. When Jenny is in shape she has an excellent gait. She has given me ALL of the gaits too. LOL. She trots (ugh) racks, saddle rack, fox trot (got that once or twice) run walk- get that quite a bit- and also unfortunately step pace and pace. sigh. When she is in shape she is very consistent with her saddle rack and rack and is very comfortable. My daughters horse is very natural- never seen a trot- more lateral- so she paces at a walk sometimes so it is something we watch- she is only 4 (this year) I have ridden quite a few of them and everyone has a slightly different gait. What sells me on them though is their heart, their people oriented personality, and there sensibility on the trail. I THINK there is a breeder near you-I had heard of a mare that he had that was exceptional- but I never made it out that far. Will dig it up in my emails if you want more info.



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I couldn't find the mare.  The previous owner must have been the one who showed me the extended pedigree.  If you go to the Kentucky Natural Gaited Association stallion directory Al Capone is the first horse to come up.  I noticed while scrolling down that there are several other Al Capone offspring stallions.  Not knowing anything about gaited horses I'm just assuming it must be a good bloodline.

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Choco's father was Al Capone.  Somewhere I saw the breed history.  I'll have to go look again - see if I can find the mare.  It's really not that important because I don't think I want to get into showing again anyway.  It's not a popular breed here in NJ so I would have to really travel to get to any shows.

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Lisa, I love your avatar-I assume that's your horse and he's a RMH?  I am in the market for another horse, and since I have all TWH I want to try another gaited breed.  RMH, MFT, or something different.  Do you like his gait?

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