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 Posted: Wed Jul 14th, 2010 04:11 pm
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Icey,  the stats are on the Humane Society's website: http://www.humanesociety.org/news/news/2009/09/cruelest_horse_show_091709.html

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It's my experience that stick AND carrot works best, whether on horses or on people. So, in addition to making it costly to use painful methods to accomplish the big lick, you need to show them that it can easily be accomplished, without torturing the horse.

I can understand this fascination with the 'big lick'; we have it too with Icies. Difference is we accomplish these big lifts with completely painless methods.

For one thing, stretching the front legs is very effective. You stand next to the horse's leg and simply lift it to its highest possible elevation and gently tug at it, to increase the lift slightly. Do this 2ice a day and, with time (3-4 weeks) you'll be able to lift it much higher than at the beginning. This stretching also allows the horse to lift higher when you're riding him.

Combine this with using heavy boots during training and when show time comes you simply remove them. The horse will then have gotten used to employing more muscle power to lift the knees and they'll be up to your ears, looking very impressive. Just goes to show the old saying "No pain no gain" is a damned lie. w2



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Brenda can you give a direct link to the USDA website that has statistics that you quote.  Im having trouble finding it, and would hate to base anything off of hearsay.

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How about this for a slogan :"Kick the Big Lick", as in 'kick it to the curb'? Short and catchy, and not suggesting anything positive (like big dick:D).
l1 That's what I was thinking, too.

I've looked around for the proper way to contact Ford. Here is the link to their public affairs department. I browsed through all the pages of their sponsorships and did not see The Celebration although their logo clearly shines on the Celebration homepage.

https://secure.ford.com/footer/contact-ford/contact-us-email?contactMainTopic=PublicAffairs

And, I realized I only tried to open the printable application at the FOSH site (sometimes I spose I need my glasses) ::). For whatever reason, I cannot open .pdf files any more. But, I did use the Paypal membership button and it worked just fine. I was sure to list GOG with Brenda's name to answer the question about where I heard about FOSH.

I just wanted to say, Brenda. I know you've offered this board and this topic for years as a means to let joe public know about the soring of horses. I've honestly never felt a need to visit the soring topics very much. But for whatever has led me here this time and has urged me to care enough to, at the very least, join FOSH, I hope it leads thousands more to do the same. Good job, Brenda, and thanks! tu1



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How about this for a slogan :"Kick the Big Lick", as in 'kick it to the curb'? Short and catchy, and not suggesting anything positive (like big dick:D).

Try to gather big crowds at these events, marching and shouting and singing, like they did during the civil rights movement.

In addition I believe you need to campaign for much steeper fines for soring, to be used for expanding the inspection authority's capacity.

Also campaign for a change in the law on cruelty to animals, making repeat offenders have to face doing jail time. That should put them off soring in rather a short time.r1



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Youre right- I was looking more at the inspector not looking at the horse than really looking at the gait of the horse (because at a glance he is obviously sore- but not nec. SORED.)  It looks like the right rear leg- huge pick up after placing on nearly every single step - he looks extrememly uncomfortable all the way around.  But supposedly this horse passed through and won the class???

 



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Hmmmm. . .I'm not sure about the horse in the video, crs.  He's picking up and then extending his hind feet in an exaggerated manner, and actually seems to be going front heavy.  I suspect his issues may be stifle problems, rather than soring. 

Certainly is not a horse you'd take to a show, as that gait isn't gonna win anything!

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PS: And how about that step-pacing horse in the foreground?  l1



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Brenda- so far the only Sponsor I have seen on their site was Ford.  Can we find a list of past sponsors? 

If you go after the money-you will get results. 

There is a blog I found recently- I posted the link once but I will repost- there is a video taken at a show a couple of weeks ago of a horse- flat shod- because I cannot see pads- going through "inspection" the horse is obviously sore the inspector is not looking at the horse through most of the "inspection" and according to her placed first.  She wrote a letter to the USDA and included that and their response

http://forthetnwalkinghorse.blogspot.com/

also- to the right there is a list of links American Farrier Sore Horse Journal and High Performance Hoof Care- both very very informative articles- I learned a lot (and was horrified a lot) from them

I feel sick to my stomach and really want to reach out and shake someone when I read comments and info on places like YouTube and the FB page for Padded Horses. I have taken the approach of Do you know what you are doing to their legs/soundness/bodies by putting undue force on their hooves.  Going with stated facts about balance.  Trying not to bash- because that would put anybodies backs up and EDUCATION is the key to some of the people who are doing it cause its cool (not nec. for the money) We have all done something in our past because we were told by someone we trusted at the time that that was the way to do it only to learn later that we made a mistake in trusting them and should have been more educated on the subject.  I agree- if we support those who are for stopping this practice and then spend whatever opportunity educating people on why this is bad (I did it on my FB page - my horsey friends knew what I was talking about- but my non- horsey friends asked questions and all of us horse people answered their questions.) And even if they didnt ask questions- you know they read it.  I have 168 friends- If I reached all of them- and then one of them passed on the info... Pass it on Pass it on Pass it on.......



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Cedarbarn, the Big Lick logo belongs to me/Gaits of Gold - use it any way you like.  We used it on a T-Shirt that said "Sore No More!"

Believe me, the Plantation (and even some of the Lite Shod) horses are also being sored.  I don't know about Keg Shod, but I'm sure if there's a way for the handlers (I refuse to call them trainers, even in my book ms.) to get the judges on board with unnatural-looking horses in those classes, they will do it. 

I purchased a lifetime membership in FOSH.  Expensive, but thought I ought to put my money where my mouth is.  Hoping next year to be able to be a sponsor of the Sound Horse Conference.

I've come to believe this isn't primarily about winning show classes for these people - it's about being blatantly abusive and getting away with it.  These are cruel, inhumane people who enjoy getting under the skin of caring people almost as much as they enjoy inflicting pain on the animals.  They're sadistic S.O.B.'s.

Yes, let's get to the sponsors of these show classes, shall we?  Who wants to go to the other boards and spread the word?  I'll contact FOSH - maybe they'll list the names of Big Lick show sponsors on their site.  I certainly will!  Economic sanctions might just be the way to go. . .

How about the Humane Society?  They are BIG on stopping this abuse, and have a lot of clout.

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Another thing that disturbed me- although on the grand scale of things its pretty minor - is FB.  I have "joined" three or four pages that promote ending soring.  There is one page that I have found that Promotes and celebrates the padded horse (GAG) The # of people who "LIKE" that page is more than the numer of people who "LIKE" the pages against Soring.  Its just a tiny thing but sticks in my craw for some reason.  We all know (those of us on FB anyway) how these things can take a life of their own and it can be a good way to reach the masses.  Also if we could find out who the sponsors are for the Celebration we could contact them that way- its a start...



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Whatta, hope you get the FOSH membership page to work for you. I joined last week and had no problem, so maybe it was just a temporary glitch on their website.

I agree, CRS, if the $$$ were not there, a lot of the show ring abuse would end because the filthy abusers who consider themselves 'trainers' depend on that prize money and 'glory'. Sadly, there are plenty of them, and so many ignorant owners who continue to support those trainers. So, besides removing the prize money, there also has to be a negative public perception of the Big Lick, which has happened to a small degree.

I've been educating myself too about this topic and found this symbol on a blog from Houston. The post was a few years old, and this computer challenged old lady couldn't find a way to contact them about permission to use it, but I think this could be a great way to get the message out. Does anyone know who has the rights to this and/or a contact? I will try to insert it here (cross your fingers for me, I have never done this before!).

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Attachment: No Big Lick.rtfd.zip (Downloaded 21 times)



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You're right CRS. The sponsors need to be wised up. Like I said, I usually stay out of these Soring topics because I find the debate about it on this board like the singing to the choir thing. No way are we going to be moved on the subject. That is why I don't mind being a little more open mouthed and closed minded in this particular topic.

I went to the FOSH site to open their membership form only to have my computer lock up. I've tried reinstalling Acrobat reader, and then I installed a totally different version. I'm still getting locked up whether I try to open that application or any other pdf file on the web. Does anyone know what's up with that?

Anyway, I'll get that membership completed one way or another. The donation applications work good on the page so making donations is very easy with PayPal. Maybe FOSH membership is the answer for turning this unsightly gait back to the running walk we admire?



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All you have to do is look at their eyes as they come around the track/ring and you can see the pain- even w/as fast as they are going.  Of course all of the youtube videos that were posted the posters say they will delete negative comments.  Cant take the criticism of their actions?  I posted anyway a very accurate but polite response on several of the videos I saw (I couldnt watch but one of them) Caught snipets of the others. 

What disturbs me is this- the videos of the 09 Celebration- the stands were packed.  Havent seen that number of people in the stands of a horse show in a long while and

They still have big named sponsors- like Ford. 

We will NEVER end this if we cant stop the flow of money into the prize coffers. 

Even with the majority of the horse industry SHOUTING that this is abuse plain and simple the people that support this will continue as long as the money continues.  I think we need to get the information to the Sponsors of the show, and see if we can stop it from there.

I did find some more really good websites with some really good information esp. for someone like me who has just started reading and understanding about this abuse.

 



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As long as pads and chains are allowed in the show ring, soring techniques will still be used on the horses. We have got to come back to an understanding of what a running walk really is and we need to come to the wisdom that what those big lick horses are doing is not a running walk and rightly should not even be called so.

Hell, they would set their horses on fire if it made them walk higher except for the fact that they could only set them on fire once. Those bas***ds that do this to horses have got to be stopped!

Hey Brenda, what do you call those bracelets around the legs of a big lick horse?

Chains of Fools!

What should we rightfully call that gait? How about just the Walk of Shame? Its barn name could just be 'Abuse'.

What do you call the riders atop those painful steeds? Are they the Mastas? Well, they ain't circuit riders.

What do you call a walking horse that has never been on pads? Blessed.

What do you call a judge in the big lick class? Call him to Confession and don't call him too late!



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That's what long hours of detail-oriented, tedious copy-editing will do. . .it's worse than a brain on drugs.  (And since I was a genuine hippy "back in the day," I know what I'm talkin' about!)

Whatta, I love the "Step off your high horse" slogan.  Maybe we'll do a whole LINE of slogans and products!  I'm willing to donate my creations to FOSH (though some may be a bit too risque').
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l1 That's a good one, B. Still, I can already imagine how many of those good ole boys would be proud to wear that shirt. I would love to see the Celebration restored to what I imagine it used to be.

How 'bout these:

Step off your High Horse and Restore the Celebration

Or just a shirt that says,

STEP OFF! in memory of Strolling Jim

 

 

 



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I just got the TWHBEA magazine yesterday. I did see one picture where the pads were pretty thin but then I could see the hooves and they seem very tall themselves.

I just couldn't get over the pictures showing the huge pads and chains. And showing win pictures of fillies from the 2 yr. old class with big lick pads! Poor things.

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Love it!!!!!!!! 

We need a bunch of people to get those tshirts and wear them to Celebration this year. : )

I wanted to gag when I saw some comments on youtube that if you didnt agree w/the big lick you just werent a good enough rider to ride a TWH Big Lick Horse that if you rode one you would never ride another.  What a load of crap.  

 



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Amy wrote:
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Kinda catchy!

LOL , I love it!!!! Brenda, when will the tshirts become available. ??? If FOSH has booths at shows, that needs to be the standard uniform of the day!!!w2l1

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Love it, Brenda!!!!  Way to go.....perfect...  l1l1

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