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| Posted: Sun Apr 8th, 2012 02:08 am |
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angie s G.O.G Community Member 
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I just got off of Tank for the first time since he got his feet done. Man , it made a different. HE is not as choppy in the front and he wanted to stay gaiting. He seem to enjoy it. One of my friends came over to see Tank again, she seen him the first day I got him. She says that he has lost alot of weight. That made me happy to hear. I seem him every day and do not see the big change in him. I think maybe I feel his withers but it is still cover with fat. But I felt it. How Rain doing?How long did it take Rain to come down off of his show mentality?
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| Posted: Fri Apr 6th, 2012 08:34 pm |
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angie s G.O.G Community Member
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Thanks for your reply. My pasture is just grass with very little clover.The grass I think maybe more vestque, O-grass maybe some timothy.One of my friend's is giving me some c. Anderson DVDs . I will watch it hope it will help. I have to get my dtrs. to help .If he pulls too much I may finished of my rotator cup or elbow. Just rubbing him until he softens his eyes is getting better. Even thou he has this disrespect problem.He has a lot of good quality's to him too. He leads will(if not going threw a gate-getting better). He parks and waits until I get on. (I'm slow bad knees.)HE is light in the bit. Road , Trail .trailer safe. He don't mind a bath or shaving. He stands will for the farrier. I think of it this way "just a little road block". He is going to make a heck of a good horse when he looses the weight and be more respectfull. Also learn to trust the people not to hurt him. I say that because when I called the previous owner about his disrespecfullnes he reply ,"just hit him up the side of head with a board. " I check on my horses every day. No signs of sore footed yet. I crossing my finger I do not see any.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 5th, 2012 06:43 pm |
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slipslider G.O.G Community Member 
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Just catching up with this thread. Sounds like you are taking care of things very well. I agree that the fat on the horse is most likely due to overfeeding, ect. I too have an easy keeper with cresty neck. And have dealt with laminitis horses in the past. I would keep on doing as you are doing, sounds like you are on the right track. Once the weather dries up and the grass is no longer growing by leaps and bounds, usually around the end of June, and your horse has lost some weight, it would probably be safe to turn him out on pasture. I would limit his time out there at first. Once it is dry summer pasture, it should be safe. But watch him again when the fall rains come and the grass startes growing again the in the fall. These are the two times to worry about pasture. In the spring, when grass is lush and green and in the fall. It is really not the grass as much as it is the legumes such as clover and such. If your pasture has alot of legumes, then you will need to watch even closer. As far as dealing with your horse's behavorial problems and rehabilitating him. I would highly recommend Cllinton Anderson's tapes. You will be very surprised at how quickly the horse will turn around and be a nice respectful no longer fearful horse, using the methods he teaches. Have fun and watch the transformation take place! PS: i am not saying your horse was not whipped but 9 out of 10 times that is not the case. I have seen so many people think there horse was beat because they act fearfully at a stick or whip. Truthfully many fearful, reactive type of horses are just scared to death of them when they are first introduced to them.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 5th, 2012 04:06 pm |
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angie s G.O.G Community Member
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I love Rain story. I hope Tank has a good one. His big issue is respect. He gets a "I'm going to bit you if you touch me where I do not want to be touch". I just started to rub him on his neck ( I do not trust him not to turn and bit if I don't have a hold of his halter] until his eyes soften and he relaxes his head and give either a sigh or lick his lips. Then I rub his forhead {he loves that}. His off side is the worst. My other horses you can rub any where at , at any time. He is learning off of them that a human touch is not hurt full . He is getting friendlier. I hope I can get him to bond and trust me like Rain has with you. I wish you lived in Indiana{southern part} so we could go riding. Since my husband does not ride and my kids are getting older and have teen lives of there own . That is the reason I bought Tank , so I could have friends to ride with me. He gaits well with my Dixie mare.My other friends horse can not keep walking up with my mare. Hey I think maybe I can see point of shoulder on Tank and now his neck bulge is getting much smaller. water doesn't stand in his crease on his back. No lameness as of yet. I do not know how long I will have to worry about Laminates and grass pasture with Tank. Only time will tell.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 5th, 2012 02:59 am |
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NOELLEE G.O.G Community Member 
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My story with Rain, my TWH gelding, now 12yrs old, is what I call my Black Beauty story. I posted a ton of questions on here getting started, shared our good and bad times, pictures and videos and I was new to gaited horses, always having QHs before... and to be honest, I am very proud of Rain now. He has a forever home with me and he, like Black Beauty in his own story, is realizing all he went through brought him home to this safe place. He is so good now, it sometimes overwhelms my heart. I eventually took him barefoot... he had high contracted heels and deep sulcus thrush, just one of the issues I worked through along with rushing, pawing, bolting, he was a former padded show horse, big winner, but the tricks of that terrible trade taught him to explode into the arena and created a horse that knew precise handling, but contained by benches of excited people that contained his energy. I am a trail rider, love the mountain riding, and I took my big TWH to the deep woods. His nervousness was something I constantly dealt with, but he learned to find peace in the forest, yet still release his incrediable endurance. I did take him barefoot on his back feet immediately and then found an very adept farrier to transit him to barefoot and resolve the thrush and imbalanced hooves. I am happy to report he gaits better than ever barefoot, and I use Easy Boots to ride him on rocky trails, and he has no problems gaiting or covering any type of terrian. He is also one of my most docile geldings in the field, getting along with all the horses, and one of my best handling horses. Ask questions and keep reaching your horse and what he needs. It is all a good experience and over time you will look back and have his story to tell  Last edited on Thu Apr 5th, 2012 03:05 am by NOELLEE |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 4th, 2012 08:49 pm |
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angie s G.O.G Community Member
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Tank is getting his work out. THe mares kept him busy. I left his back feet unshod. I just check him, he has a big chuck out of his back hind but not enough to worry about. I guest having his feet in steel shoes may have made his feet briddle but the farrier says that they will get stronger over time. The guy who had him must have beaten him with a whip . I was tryiing to get him to over come getting touch . when I used a whip just to rub him and he flip out.He is going to be a good horse some day if I can get him over all his promblems. Being too fat, lamenitis, being touch and to respect women. He is getting better now he is not bolting threw the gate when I walk him , I have to watch him and talk smoothly to him. He also found out its good to be brushed. I go out and brushed all the horses daliy well almost daliy. He first wouldn't come up but now since he sees that the other horses loves that time , he is getting much better at it. I guest it going to take time to get him over his fears , it doesn't take long make a bad experice. It takes along time to overcome. I just enjoy this site. I get to talk to people about my favorite subject "horses". 
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| Posted: Wed Apr 4th, 2012 07:34 pm |
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NOELLEE G.O.G Community Member
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angie s wrote: Well , I hope putting him in the back will help him loose weight, if that lead mare has her way. SHe thinks she is wild when she gets to go back to the back pasture. I hope its better. she will go back there stay for a few hrs then run back and stand in the barn for a few hours. more in the barn on hot, buggy days. He now has to run and stay away from the 2 mares that bosses him around. He didn't get to do that where he was. It was on a hard pack gravel area smaller than a base ball dimond (in field area). It scared me when my farrier says that he has a starting lamenitis. I never had on . But I know he feels better , his attitude and the way he is walking is much ,much better. It might not be lamentis, it might just be improper trims... and that is a good idea to make them all move from barn to pasture. I have my five horses over 15 acres, but instead of one big pasture on a hill that bottoms out to a creek, I split this into three pastures up and down so they have to come up the hill to move into another one, and it also makes them come up the hill to the barn or water toughs. I brought a mare once during the winter and she showed lamentis when spring grass came in. She suddenly got very tendered footed, to the point of walking terribly stiff and sore, and threw shoes very easily. That is when I learned more about lamentis. She would be fine in a few days once I pull her off grass, and I definitely could not let her get into clover, but I learned a routine for her. She rode great once we were passed the lamentis attack. I rehabbed a young gelding that was given to me after he foundered, kept him in my yard and he could eat grass all day and not be tender footed. Happy horse, rarely showed discomfort until you handled his feet. But eventually with rehab, he was rode after new hoof growth came in and proper trims. His new owner rides him fine shod, or on soft ground barefoot. Given time and proper trims, and finding the right management, it can be okay. But definitely keep your gelding moving and figure out a diet/supplement program for him and hopefully your farrier will get his feet in balanced shape.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 4th, 2012 07:17 pm |
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angie s G.O.G Community Member
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Well , I hope putting him in the back will help him loose weight, if that lead mare has her way. SHe thinks she is wild when she gets to go back to the back pasture. I hope its better. she will go back there stay for a few hrs then run back and stand in the barn for a few hours. more in the barn on hot, buggy days. He now has to run and stay away from the 2 mares that bosses him around. He didn't get to do that where he was. It was on a hard pack gravel area smaller than a base ball dimond (in field area). It scared me when my farrier says that he has a starting lamenitis. I never had on . But I know he feels better , his attitude and the way he is walking is much ,much better.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 4th, 2012 06:30 pm |
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NOELLEE G.O.G Community Member
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angie s wrote: The farrier says that he shows signs of lamenitis in the left front and left hind ,the other two is good. He thinks maybe he was over feed grain, poor shoeing, and the hard surface he was expose to , they may have cause it. BUt I need to watch him on the grass. He says it may be IR but was not for certain. He says he needs Lot of exercise to help his feet and fat. Could be lamenitis or poor shoeing and imbalance trims over time, could be several reasons and sometimes even a vet cannot alway pinpoint it. But definitely high heels and long toes are a hoof imbalance and often cause deep sulcus thrush that farriers may not notice on those first trims to correct the imbalance, plus imbalance hooves lead to all sorts of lameness issues over time. Your horse is lucky to have found you as you sort out how to help him best. I do not feed my horses processed feeds, including sweet feed or pelleted forms. I have never understood why I need to.. but I do feed a little whole oats, maybe 1/2 pint in AM and again in PM to mix in with their ground flaxseed (Omega Horseshine, good for IR horses too), various herb formulas, sea minerals, and probiotics. Mine do get grass and access to hay when not being rode. I observe all my horses daily for general signs of imbalances, such as cresty neck getting swollen and hard, acting tender and heat in hooves, changes in performance or their usual personality routine. I should knock on wood, just did, because this year seems to be less worrisome then other years. Yes, yes, yes, to exercise!! Movement is very important, even if you can set up the pasture where the horses need to move to find grasses or water holes. I think the ground flaxseed, sea mineral, probiotics have been very useful, but I also like one product I woud not do without now and has helped my cresty neck, easy keeper QH... this spring he is in fit shape, ride him about once a week all day trail riding, he is not fat, the crest is staying managable. Look up "For the Love of a Horse", chinese herbs, and look at both the Liver Support and the Nourish Digest formulas. You can call their 1-800 number and they are very helpful in discussing your horse's issues. But I found the Liver Support to be a great asset to feed my possible or borderline "IR" horse, who shows no signs now of being IR. Keep up the balanced trims, and learn yourself what a balanced trim looks like. With or without shoes, the trim is very important! Last edited on Wed Apr 4th, 2012 06:31 pm by NOELLEE |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 4th, 2012 04:42 pm |
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angie s G.O.G Community Member
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Tank had his feet done today.The farrier says that he shows signs of lamenitis in the left front and left hind ,the other two is good. He thinks maybe he was over feed grain, poor shoeing, and the hard surface he was expose to , they may have cause it. BUt I need to watch him on the grass. He says it may be IR but was not for certain. He says he needs Lot of exercise to help his feet and fat. since he redone his shoes, He is a different horse , he is moving freely and seems to be in a better mood. THe farrier told me that he had high heals and long toes. who ever shooed him did a poor job. Well I open up the back pasture, and closed off the front. My lead mare think she has to run as hard as she can back and forth , she goes back to the back for a short time then run as hard as she can back and stand in the barn. They get in shape and loose weight.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31st, 2012 01:39 pm |
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angie s G.O.G Community Member
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He has a natural sea and mineral block out there he can go to and I also place show glow (a loose mineral from moor man) he is eating it up like candy. My other horses did when I first got it but now the just lick it as the need it . I will check out how much flex seed cost. I do not have a lot of extra money since I had my mid live crisis,you know got to have another horse thing. I appreciate all the comments and am taking it to hart. I am glad I have this site , There is not a lot of gaited horse people around me. I have just a couple of friends with horses, but seems they are working when I am off and vise verse I enjoy this site.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31st, 2012 01:39 am |
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NOELLEE G.O.G Community Member
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Someone posted once about when sugar content is highest... I think it is late afternoon to dark in warm seasons, and early mornings to mid-day in cold seasons. I also don't create lush pastures, but you don't want stressed pastures either. I have one easy keeper QH that came to me with a cresty neck where the lump would rise and get hard, sometimes on just hay, no grass. What worked for this QH was several changes to his diet and routine. So far this year the crest has nearly looked like a normal top mane line, no swollen or hardening of the one lump that would flare up. He is out on pasture nearly all the time. I stall all the horses in the morning from 9-11am, then again in the evening at dusk to about 10pm. They get no commerical horse feed or "grain" in pelleted or sweet feed form, rather a very small amount of whole horse oats, maybe up to 1/2 cup ground flaxseed (Omega Horseshine), Source sea minerals, salts, and probiotics daily. When I added liver supportive herbs to the evening meal, that is when I noticed "imbalances" fading on all of the horses. My cresty neck QH is no longer cresty and looks fit, not fat. Another QH would get bloaty and not sweat, he had no cresty neck, but easy keeper. He sweats good now, and looks more muscular than fat. I do think the herbs, flaxseed and probiotics made an improvement in our situations, along with pasture movement, riding exercise, and IMHO, kept barefoot. Last edited on Sat Mar 31st, 2012 01:41 am by NOELLEE |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30th, 2012 05:04 pm |
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angie s G.O.G Community Member
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So far Tank has not learn to take it off. I am taking off for a few hours at a time . Its been soo dry here , that I think maybe the sugar content is very low. I just do not know that much about grass.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30th, 2012 05:02 pm |
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angie s G.O.G Community Member
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Thanks for the web site , I will consider it. It is costly.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30th, 2012 03:13 pm |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30th, 2012 02:22 pm |
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iceponymom G.O.G Community Member 
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It IS a pain to deal with! My Icey is IR and it's a constant battle to keep him fit, not fat. He only gets 4 hours of grass spring & fall (he can escape from any grazing muzzle so that's no longer an option) and spends the rest of his time on a dry lot. There's a Welsh cob with similar issues so they have each other for company. He's worked at least 5 days a week and gets Formula 4 Feet hoof supplement. Knock wood - no laminitis for several years on this program.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30th, 2012 12:26 pm |
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angie s G.O.G Community Member
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Well this winter he is going to be very disappointed, I feed only grass hay, mainly is what ever my husband picks up next in the cattle hay. I do feed grain in the winter. Its a corn, oats, alf pelt. mix and they only get it 1 x daily and if I see the are becoming tooo fat I just back off, or if I feel that they are loosing I just bump it up. I have a cattle feeder, and spread all the feed into it and all horses eat together. Tank is not the boss in the pasture the older back mare is and the red mare well I don't know yet. So since he is not the boss horse he is not going to push the others off of their food.I hope this horse is just fat, and not IR. It sounds like a pain to deal with.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30th, 2012 12:20 pm |
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angie s G.O.G Community Member
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I have talked to 3 different vets. 2 of them says just to watch him that he was overfeed. It is ok to have him run on the pastuer 24/7 after Tank is wean on it. The other one says to keep him off of it until may or june.I tried to keeep him off but he had other ideas. SO the grazing mussel, witch the 3rd vet says it was ok but didn't given me any ideas of how to use it. None of them said any thing about thryoid check.I leave in a place where the vets are either small animal or mainly cattle, they do not want to mess with horses.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30th, 2012 02:13 am |
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You may want to have your vet check his thyroid. An imbalance can cause obesity and medicine is a rather easy fix I hear. Sounds to me, too, like he's been getting way too much food!
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30th, 2012 12:45 am |
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angie s G.O.G Community Member
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What and where do you get chi seed? I just started to using a grazing mussle. Fat Man don't like it. ? is do I keep it on 24/7 or on 12 hrs off 12 hrs . I figure to use it until the cresty neck is gone and I am able to feel some ribs. I wonder if he has ribs HAHAHAHA.I am going to try to ride him 2 days per week, I have another horse I have to ride but she is not fat. She just needs some exercise and TLC.I also work 2 -3 days per week. HRs varies.
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