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| Posted: Sun Oct 2nd, 2011 04:52 pm |
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mytwh G.O.G Community Member
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left front side Attachment: left front foot side.jpg (Downloaded 45 times) Last edited on Sun Oct 2nd, 2011 05:05 pm by mytwh |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 2nd, 2011 05:00 pm |
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mytwh G.O.G Community Member
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Right front side. Resizing these pictures isn't easy. It is a challenge for me. LOL Attachment: right front foot.jpg (Downloaded 43 times) Last edited on Sun Oct 2nd, 2011 05:07 pm by mytwh |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 2nd, 2011 10:18 pm |
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fireandice G.O.G Community Member 
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mytwh wrote: Right front side.  I suppose she is still sore? T
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| Posted: Sun Oct 2nd, 2011 11:00 pm |
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mytwh G.O.G Community Member
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She does tip toe a little. I have been letting her take it easy. Just short rides.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 3rd, 2011 01:20 am |
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NOELLEE G.O.G Community Member 
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mytwh wrote: She does tip toe a little. I have been letting her take it easy. Just short rides. Good job on the pictures. It hard to tell sometimes unless all four hooves are in the same view and the horse is squared up or standing naturally or you also include side views of the hooves picked up so the balance can be seen across the hoof wall, sole and frog. Or even a video of the horse walking. I don't see this as being the typical hoof shape to fit the Epic Easy Boot. Look on Valley Vet's descriptions, which do a good job of describing the hoof shapes for each style of boot. If she is tiptoe-ing, she may not be putting down heel first landings. Do you feel heat in any areas of the hoof? Does she let you apply pressure to the sole? There may be some thrush on one hoof... she really should not be sore. I will try to comment on each pic.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 3rd, 2011 03:16 am |
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curliesrule G.O.G Community Member
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mytwh: The mustang roll should never be the problem, unless it is so steep that the hoof wall is too thinned. Your horse seems to have a lot of flare with wall separation. Depending on how fast she grows wall, you may have to trim every three weeks. Flare will grow flare, if you don't trim it off, the wall will continue to separate from the laminae. It may take up to 6 mos. depending on how far up the hoof the wall has pulled away. Talk to your hoof care Prof. and see if they can work with you. I know three weeks is a lot. Maybe they can show you how to rasp in between appts. As a vet tech, I am usually overly cautious, if the soreness is chronic, I would have xrays takens just to be sure that there isn't something else going on. These are just suggestions.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 3rd, 2011 10:06 am |
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fireandice G.O.G Community Member
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Stop riding her. If she's still sore, there is still a problem, riding her will only exacerbate the problem. You need a vet for the radiographs (who hopefully has on-site viewing equipment where a lap-top is able to download the x-rays immediately), and a competent farrier there so a plan can be made by both professionals. I am neither a vet nor a farrier so I will not comment on the current trim job. The only thing I will say is to get your vet and farrier on board as soon as possible. T.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 3rd, 2011 10:21 am |
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mytwh G.O.G Community Member
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Yes I do know she has flares. This is only the second time that she has been trimmed with the mustang roll. My last farrier did a poor job on her. That's why I switched. I do know that she didn't have any farrier work done on her when she was a baby. I think I will call him and talk to him about the flares. See what he thinks about the seperation.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 3rd, 2011 01:50 pm |
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NOELLEE G.O.G Community Member
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curliesrule wrote: Flare will grow flare, if you don't trim it off, the wall will continue to separate from the laminae. Talk to your hoof care Prof. and see if they can work with you. I know three weeks is a lot. Maybe they can show you how to rasp in between appts. Thanks Curliesrule and Tina. I too, am concerned about the continuing soreness. With my five horses going barefoot, chronic soreness did not show up even though we dealt with a number of corrective issues. I did ride in boots at all times and had the boots fitted by an Easy Boot dealer. Once I took the boots off one of my QHs to lope him up a mountain trail, and he was tender. I put the boots back on and he was okay. This horse also strongly preferred the Edge over the Gloves, even though the Gloves fit him too. Don't get yourself worried about calling the vet or farrier, just do it. I have good communications with both of mine, can drop them an email and get a response by that evening or next morning. I have found it can take time to reshape into a healthy hoof and have been learning as much as I can to understand how to rasp inbetween and eventually do some trimming. Last edited on Mon Oct 3rd, 2011 02:21 pm by NOELLEE |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 3rd, 2011 07:43 pm |
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NOELLEE G.O.G Community Member
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mytwh wrote: Here we go. I'm gonna try to do this. mytwh: this is the hoof I wondered might have a little thrush. My TWH horse had contracted heels and deep sulcus thrush when I got him. After finally finding a PBHT to take him barefoot and trim his hooves properly, I was able to beat the thrush with a few good products and movement. He is now growing a new frog and it is very interesting to watch the progress. He has rarely shown soreness during this transit, I have rode him lightly on sand only, but his pasture is hilly with a lot of sandrock paths. One product I like very much was "Thrush Ninja". I still use it daily as I pick his hooves and monitor the hoof / frog process, and will sometimes use it on all the horses as a preventive or supplement for the frog. i also want to encourage you to keep up the questions and photos, it really helps everyone to learn and observe, and I am sure your mare will be fine as you diligently keep up the follow ups and hoof care for her with your farrier and vet. Thanks Curliesrule... I understand more about flaring and how the wall looks by both the pictures and how you pointed it out. My PBHT comes tomorrow for a trim on all five horses, so looking forward to her pointers on all five horses! Last edited on Mon Oct 3rd, 2011 07:43 pm by NOELLEE |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 4th, 2011 02:29 am |
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Lakota G.O.G Community Member 
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I had a horse who had VERY slow hoof growth. He was shod for 12 weeks and there wasn't enough growth for a reset. This horse was undernourished and was not 'thrifty'. When I pulled the shoes to go barefoot, he was tender on the gravel driveway for quite a long time. I also had some thrush and some separation at the white line & he is flat soled. I have been very pleased with Farriers Formula hoof supplement. I no longer have any separation and the soles have become more concave although he is still somewhat flat soled. I never have to cut away any sole, just little touch ups @ the bars. I can rack him on the gravel and he goes sound as a dollar. So don't panic, this doesn't happen overnight and your horse may take awhile to overcome the soreness. I suggest using the professional help to rule out any potential serious problems. (And I thought your picture taking was great btw;))
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| Posted: Tue Oct 4th, 2011 10:44 am |
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mytwh G.O.G Community Member
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Thank You Lakota. I really needed to hear this. I had given away my other mare, because she had rotation and Navicular bone spurs. I don't want to go through this again. To heart breaking for me. She was only six. These two horses have the same Sire I hope it's not in the breeding. I have put her on Nu Hoof maximizer. I hope it's a good product. Thank You All
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| Posted: Wed Oct 5th, 2011 03:15 am |
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NOELLEE G.O.G Community Member
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mytwh: just spent the day with my PBHT (trimmer) watching closely the trim on all five horses and then riding afterwards. I asked a lot of questions, as each horse was very different and the science to shaping towards a balance hoof is very interesting. TWH mare - near perfect hooves, fat pump heart shaped frog, little need for boots, racks fast and natural on any ground, transit to barefoot was quick, nearly self maintains the shape with movement and riding... but, as was pointed out to me, her breeding and genetics probably had a lot to do with those nice feet. And that I could not hold all the other horses up to this near perfection. QH gelding - quickly gaining a nice barefoot, still trimming the bars to shape accordingly to his natural foot. He can be rode in just front boots now, but I will sometimes ride in all four, or no boots on soft ground. Front hooves shaping up round, back hooves still need to get rounder, less oblong. We will get there! But his mystery lameness era that showed up repeatively during his 6mo shod period is gone. Both of these horses are 4.5 yrs old. QH gelding - 10yrs old, nice natural round foot, nice frog, good maintance staying round, but tender footed without shoes when rode. Needs boots on the front to ride. His sole is flat, and hopefully over time and further trims, it concaves. QH gelding - 10 yrs old, average nice foot bare, but is chipping off inbetween the trims where the old "hoof" has not grown out completely yet. Rasping needed to bevel out again inbetween. Frog is not super-pumped yet like the other three, but looks good shaping up. Can be rode on soft ground without boots, but must have boots on rocky ground as will show tenderness. TWH gelding - 11yrs old... this is my Rain, and his case of contracted heels and deep sulcus thrush is one of two worst cases my trimmers has ever seen. His condition was overlooked by prior farriers because his performance was super when shod, and even barefoot has rarely shown tenderness. But from summer to now, every day has been a process of picking the hooves, dealing with deep thrush and infection draining, applying a thrush remedy, plus herbs and supplements to build his immunity and promote healthy hoof growth. Today made his third natural trim, and my trimmer was very happy to see his frog healthy again and also creating new growth to shape and fill in the contracted heel areas that finally opened up so the new frog growth pushes in and flatten the back of the frog like the palm of your hand as it should appear. He is rode on soft ground, barefoot for now, but kept on a sandstone, hilly pasture with grass. Overall, the hoof wall is strong, holding a round shape, and the sole is concaving. So while I initially felt worry because my thinking was drumming up worst case scenarios with each horse's particular transit process and needs when ridden, it was when I turned my thinking towards the learning curves with an outlook on gaining valuable knowledge, that I ceased to feel worry or see any end results as the worst case scenario. Instead I got a sense of 'all is okay', and this learning curve is getting us there, but I will understand now the science of a balanced hoof. Just like Lakota turned her gelding around to "goes sound as a dollar", we all work towards getting to that point. 
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| Posted: Wed Oct 5th, 2011 10:54 am |
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mytwh G.O.G Community Member
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Thank you all so much. I'm not as worried anymore. I talked to my farrier about my worries, he told me not to worry she'll get there. He does know about the flares. He doesn't want to take them down all at once. He is coming out again this friday. I am going to keep her on a 2 or 3 week schedule for awhile.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 5th, 2011 12:26 pm |
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NOELLEE G.O.G Community Member
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mytwh wrote: He does know about the flares. He doesn't want to take them down all at once. He is coming out again this friday. I am going to keep her on a 2 or 3 week schedule for awhile. tu1 ...
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