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| Posted: Mon Oct 6th, 2008 12:23 pm |
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ChampagneTobe G.O.G Community Member 
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yea, Jim, I was wondering where you'd gone! Welcome back. CT
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| Posted: Mon Oct 6th, 2008 03:48 pm |
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jn1022 G.O.G Community Member 
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Thanx, I kept getting error messages from the message board when I'd try to go to a forum. Sometimes I could get to a forum, but would get an error when I'd click to reply and post. It finally worked yesterday. I was really starting to miss the conversations. My wife won't talk horses with me or even listen to me talk about them. Silver just keeps improving with each ride. I've switched from the side pull back to the snaffle bit. The last 2 rides I wore spurs and he really listens to the leg commands a lot better than with just my leg and foot. He was doing well enough I took him out on the trails yesterday morning for about an hour. This was his first time on the trails. I went by myself which probably wasn't good, but Silver has been so good that I trusted him and my ability to stop him. He only had one spook and it was a loud cracking. Sounded like a big tree limb or possibly even a tree cracked and fell. I flinched as much as he did. He jumped forward to take off and I put the ole one rein stop on him and he came to an immediate stop. I rode past pastures and real estate signs and barking dogs and moving cars to get to the trails. He did quite a bit of snorting, but kept it under control. I put him in his gait in an open 40 acre piece of property and he held his gait all the way across it. He would get choppy when he would pick his speed up, but I could play with the reins and my position and seat and slow him down a little and he would smooth out in areas. I think he is just gong to be smooth as silk. Most of it is probably the way I ride. I'm a slouch in the saddle and tend to watch his head quite a bit. My wife and son I going to Wisconsin this week and I took a bunch of pictures for her to put on an electronic picture frame for her mother's 85th birthday. I've now got some recent pictures of Silver. I'll post some when I can get on the desk top instead of my work laptop I'm on now. I think I have found my dream horse with just my 3rd horse I've ever had. Lucky me! I hadn't ridden past the neighborhood houses since I sold my mares the first of May. I had people coming out of their houses when they saw me coming by on a different horse than they are used to seeing me one. Everybody just complemented me on what a gorgeous horse he was. I was pretty proud to show him off a little. Jim
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| Posted: Mon Oct 6th, 2008 04:47 pm |
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ChampagneTobe G.O.G Community Member
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Yay! I'm proud for you!! Post more pics! CT
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21st, 2008 03:54 am |
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jn1022 G.O.G Community Member
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Well, I took Silver on a pretty good trail ride this evening. I was by myself and took him down the road to a main trail that runs about 50 yards off a main road in a wooded area. It's Biketoberfest in Daytona right now and a lot of motorcylces are running around right now. There was plenty of traffic and noise along that main road and Silver didn't even pay them any attention. He gaited nicely and was smooth for about 3/4 the time I was gaiting him. He would want to pick up some speed and start to get choppy. I would bring him down and start him off again and he would do pretty good. Not one spook for an hour and a half. I was about 3 or 4 blocks worth from the house when I approached a house that had a mini donkey in the yard. I got about 50 yards or so from the house and Silver saw that little donkey trot around the corner of the house and Silver did a 180 and took off at full gallop down the middle of the street. I was pulling as hard as I could with one rein trying to get a one rein stop, but Silver just kept barreling down the road with his head turned towards me. I felt his hooves slip once or twice on the asphalt and when he got to the end of the road (about 1/2 block away) there's a ditch you have to cross and I ddn't know if he would try to jump it or hit it full speed and send both of us tumbling. He got to the ditch and finally curved the direction I had his head turned and came to a stop. Scared the pee right out of me. I don't ride all that well and I could just picture myself coming off right in the middle of the asphalt road at 25 mph. I don't even recall my butt bouncing in the saddle. Anyway, nothing terrible happened except that I realized I cannot 100% control or stop him with a snaffle in his mouth. I was pretty confident about the one rein stop, but now I know that won't always work if this horse has a mind to go. Now the question is should I get a mild curb or order an Imus bit or stay with the snaffle. I definitely need to get a better stop in him. A whoa and sitting back on my seat and gently pulling on both reins doesn't seem to mean much to him. Since I've take him on the trails a couple of times he seems to not stand still for lateral flexing like he was. Now he wants to turn circles instead of just flexing his head. He was doing lateral flexation real well on our property. The one rein stop works great in an arena or pasture, but on the trail it is a different story. I used a mild curb on my other walker when I had her. She wouldn't pay any attention to a snaffle bit at all. Maybe I shouldn't have her off property yet, especially by himself. I don't know. He did so good everywhere else on the trail. Any suggestions for developing a good stop would be greatly appreciated. Here's some recent pictures of Silver. It's been getting into the 60's at night and he's starting to sprout a little hair already compared to the other horses here. Do walkers tend to be a little longer haired that other breeds? The other walker I used to have was very hairy also. She never would get short and slick like other horses. I've been giving Silver some milled flax seed with his pellets and that seems to make a difference, but still not as short haired as the others. Jim Attachment: copy60.JPG (Downloaded 90 times)
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21st, 2008 03:57 am |
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jn1022 G.O.G Community Member
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Here's another pic of Silver. It shows his dapples that he's getting a little better. Hey, that's another question. I've been told that all greys turn white about 10 - 12 yrs old. Is that true? They all do? No chance he'll stay darker? Jim Attachment: copy61.JPG (Downloaded 89 times)
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21st, 2008 12:31 pm |
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ChampagneTobe G.O.G Community Member
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Hey Jim- couple of things- you'll probably get more responses if you copy your post to it's own thread. This one might not get looked at again- I got notification of it in my email, but who knows who's still looking at it... I don't know for sure about greys, but I know they continually change. I have honestly never seen a dark grey older horse. All the ones i've seen lighten as they are older, but that doesn't mean there aren't any. As for the one rein stop, it's something you have to update with him every so often. You can't just teach it to him until he gets it and then never bring it up again until you need it. What happened to you is the result. I have used the one rein stop, as you used it, and then I've used it after keeping up with reinforcing it during the week as part of my training. That is the first key to success- the keeping up with it. The second thing, is that you can't wait to use it until he's in a full gallop. The most success you'll have is when you pull him around in the first few steps of the spook, preferably, in the middle of the spook-a-whirl, before they actually take off. However, that's all dependant upon your reaction time. If you get to the point where you were, at a full gallop and still can't stop, try to guide him in a progressively smaller circle (leg yielding works good here- pushing him with the outside leg to go in the direction you are leading his head) until you can get him to stop. Even if that means you end up in someone's yard, do it. Your safety is more important than divots in someones front yard. DO NOT however, continue to bend his head toward your knee at a full gallop. You will, at some point, end up rolling with him on the ground. THANK GOD you are ok!!!! CT Hey- by the way, he is really gorgeous!!! Last edited on Tue Oct 21st, 2008 12:34 pm by ChampagneTobe ____________________ shameless self-promotion: http://www.tbuckalewphotography.com "God forbid I should go to a heaven where there are no horses" R.B. Cunningham Graham |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21st, 2008 01:51 pm |
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Dreamer G.O.G Community Member 
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Hey Jim, I am a dapple lover too. Love your guy. I don't recall how old your horse is or what type of training he has had so far, but I would say ditch the spurs for one, they are not to be used to get better response on a green horse, you will end up needing to use more instead of less as time goes on. And I would say slow down with your training and go back to the basics. Desensitize to scary things, set up a whole course to work on and be creative. If you can get another horse to go out with you on the rides it would really help. The bit you use is like the spurs, less is usually better for the training - but I like a bit with a chin strap for trail riding- I WANT Brakes-. Good luck and be careful, but enjoy your beauty.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21st, 2008 06:01 pm |
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SPOTD RIDR G.O.G Community Member 
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jn1022 wrote: I've been told that all greys turn white about 10 - 12 yrs old. Is that true? They all do? No chance he'll stay darker? I do believe if he is really genetically a true grey, he will eventually turn solid white, I'm not sure how long it does take. I was worried my sabino, was maybe a true grey and would turn all white, but most have told me since he does not have a unbroken grey bloodline then he is not grey, he is out of sires side of blacks & bays, a damns side roans & blacks. Look at his pedigree and see how many greys are on there maybe that will give a clue.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21st, 2008 06:16 pm |
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jn1022 G.O.G Community Member
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Hey Champagne, I tried to do the one rein stop immediately and probably did so as a reflex to the whirl. He was at a gallop in a matter of a couple of seconds. I actually didn't get his head to my knee due to the strength of the horse, but it was still bent to the side. I really didn't want to do the one rein once he was up and going because I was afraid of tumbling him in the road and on top of me. There's very little room to do any curving around here when along the road. There's a good size shoulder to the road, but most properties have 4 plank wood fencing and there is somewhat of a ditch on both sides. I was just glad the road ended and there was a ditch in front of us. I think that was what really stopped him. I guess the biggest problem is that he just doesn't have a very good whoa on him at all. He just doesn't seem to recognize that pressure from both reins, sitting back on my seat, and bracing with my legs while saying whoa means to stop. He doesn't even do that well at a walk. I have to be on and off the reins pretty hard several times while saying whoa over and over to get him to stop. He was so good at the one rein in the pasture that when I started to turn him with a little rein pressure he would stop. I would use my legs to keep him going. Now he doesn't think one rein means stop (I'm guessing). Hi Dreamer, I just started using the spurs a 2 or 3 rides ago. He seemed to react to the pressure much more readily than with my leg. They are pretty mild spurs as far as spurs go. I think the difference is like pushing you in the ribs with the palm of my hand versus pushing you in the ribs with my finger. I would think the spurs would not make him hard in the side unless I over use them. You are right that they are like the bits. Less is better, but every horse is different. A bit can work wonderfully on one twh and then you get another horse and use the same bit and the new horse hates it. Silver is very, very green and this is the first horse I am starting and training. I probably do rush things. I have a friend up the road that had a horse about the same age as Silver and he paid a trainer for 60 days and the trainer told him NOT to take him off the property for 6 months. I was wanting to ride with other horses the first few times on the trail, but unfortunately all my boarders and neighbors just need something to spend money on instead of using their horses. I was watching Dennis Reis on RFD one day and he was on a colt for the first time and he put it like this: "If you can't cantor around the arena or roundpen with your feet out of the stirrups and your hands free, then you have no business on a green horse." I'm breaking that rule. I'm not totally comfortable with a gallop. I will cantor/gallop and keep my butt in the seat, but sometimes I loose the motion or get lazy or whatever and start to bounce and then I will slow him down and start again so I'm just not that great of a rider. Silver is only 3 and I've only started him a few months ago and ride him about 2 or 3 times a week so he's very green, but very, very gentle. I was able to put on a pad, saddle, sit on him, and move him around a little all on the first time. I've had him since he was 8 months old. I have spent quite a bit of time desensitizing him. He doesn't bother with dogs, vehicles of any kind, people, trash cans, or flapping signs along the road, but he sure took off when he saw that little donkey. The same yard had a dog barking at the fence the whole time and he didn't flinch until he saw that donkey. I know one thing, he's going back there this evening. I was wondering if I should get a snaffle with a triangular or square mouth piece instead of a smooth round. I was never planning on keeping him in a snaffle. I was eventually wanting to graduate to a curb because I like having the curb strap/chain for brakes also. Jim Jim
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 01:06 am |
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jn1022 G.O.G Community Member
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He's got a lot of greys in his bloodline, but also a lot of blacks and a few blue roans further back. Sire and both of Sire's parents were grey with mainly black's above them on the sire's side and the dam and both dam's parents were black with about 2/3 of her ancestory being black. Sire's side also has a couple of blue roans. Silver's got 4 WGC in his pedigree and 2 WC. Sire's side has Prides Final Edition (WGC) and Mark of Carbon (WGC) and Dam's side has Ebony's Mountain Man (WGC) and Ebony Masterpiece (WGC). Boy, I hope both the Ebony's aren't related, otherwise there's some inbreeding going one here. Man, there is inbreeding here. 4 levels above Silve, Pride of Midnight H.F. shows up twice on the same level. That would be the great great grandparents of Silver. Is this common? Jim
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 02:41 pm |
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Daphne G.O.G Community Member 
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Ebony's Mountain Man is the son of Ebony's Masterpiece. Yes, it was very common to line breed in the past. Hopefully, no one does that anymore.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 09:42 pm |
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jn1022 G.O.G Community Member
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Silver's real name is Charm's Silver Star. Here's the list of names on his papers: Pride of Midnight HF and HF Spirits Nell produced Pride's Generator Mark of Carbon(WGC) and Midnight Melinda Hal produced Mark's Moonstone Pride's Generator and Mark's Moonstone produced Silver Design (grandpa) Pride of Midnight HF and Ebony's CC produced Pride's Final Edition The Medicine Man and Peppermint Delight produced Southern Medicine Pride's Final Edition(WGC) and Southern Medicine produced Final's Southern Belle(grandma) Silver Design and Final's Southern Belle produced Final's Silver Charm (Daddy) That was the Sire's side. Here's the dam's: Ebony's Mountain Man(WGC) and Perfections Belle P produced Eb's Mountain Top Star of Tullos GI and Magic's Ann IM produced Star's Magic Ann Eb's Mountain Man and Star's Magic Ann produced Mountain Man Magic Ebony's Masterpiece(WGC) and Mack K's Wonder produced Ebony's Mark of Gold Tennessee Mac and Bayou Beauty produced Beauty's Black Powder Ebony's Mark of Gold(WC) and Beauty's Black Powder produced Ebony's Peace Mountain Man Magic and Ebony's Peace produced Mountain Stream (mom) Final's Silver Charm and Mountain Stream produced Charm's Silver Star (my Silver) The website said Ebony's Mark of Gold was the most prolific TWH of all time. He is the all time points leader of the breed. I always thought Silver was a real special horse and I love being able to find on the web what his ancestor's looked like and accomplished. COOL BEANS!!  Hey, whatcha doing in there? Attachment: COPYIMG_0054.JPG (Downloaded 32 times)
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15th, 2010 05:26 am |
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AppyJo G.O.G Community Member 
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I use.. a vet l1 Seriously though, my morgan would NOT let me clean his sheath, and he was a crusty boy! I ended up just flushing it with warm water and the hose during bath time (he didnt mind that) and it kept the crusties flushed out.
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