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| Posted: Sat Jul 14th, 2007 06:15 pm |
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Candykiss
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Sorry, didn't mean to offend. Hubby's horse wanted to rush from pasture to stall this winter when they were grained and he knew what awaited him. The BO used a chain and I had no problem with it. Like you, no injury, just an attention getter and reminder and safety measure. He learned pretty quickly that slower meant getting there sooner. I just meant that I'm not experienced nor confident enough to use it and couldn't have a horse that needed it. And my mare gets put to work plenty in the forward direction. It's the frustration AND beauty of horsemanship.....different methods, different horses, different people, different times. There is no formula.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14th, 2007 08:23 pm |
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JoyRider G.O.G Community Member 
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Yes sorta like choke collar on dog for training. It must be put on correctly and used correctly so that there is no pressure until pressure needed and there is quick release when it is applied. Some vets and farriers use them instead of twitches or drugs when confronted with a horse that might hurt them but once again every horse like a child is different as to what works even if a method of constrant is needed.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15th, 2007 01:37 am |
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gaitingal Ranch Hand 
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Many tools have been invented for any job needing to be completed. A stud chain is just another tool that should not be perceived as cruel, unless in the hands of a cruel Human... (Have a look at how Linda Tellington-Jones rigs a halter for communication...) I am a believer that one swift correction is more positive than the chroic nagging. Get your point across & move on. Horses understand this. Heck, they bite & kick each other all the time, if earlier warnings & pressures are not respected. Horses are just horses... It may be different if you raised the foal from day one & the hierarchy has already been instilled. Often, that is NOT the case. Be Safe, First & Foremost! --Debbie in GA
____________________ "Wrinkles should merely indicate where smiles have been." - Mark Twain |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15th, 2010 06:31 am |
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AppyJo G.O.G Community Member 
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It totally depends on the horse. I had a morgan that was terribly nippy and pushy for treats. I should have never given him treats in hand. (but who can resist?) My appy is a gem (mostly) with treats in hand. He is very bribable when I need to teach him something he doesnt want to learn (like stepping over a bridge or tarp) and treats cut thru the problems. He will occasionally get pushy but a "mom" look and a sharp voice is all that is needed to put him back into place.
____________________ Never assume! The moment you do, life is sure to screw you over! |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 19th, 2010 12:06 am |
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sdlepal Ranch Hand 
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I like to give my horses carrots and apples as I eat them or going down the trail I will be eating something and put my hand to the side and my horse will stop and get what ever it is I give him. I know that is bad. He is a big moocher and once I was doing something around his mouth while tacking up, can't remember what and he took a hold of my finger like it was a carrot and I could feel him getting ready to bite down and it was like " wow, that's not a carrot" and he released me fast. So now I am more careful. My husband thought he was doing them a favor and bought a big jug of horse treats from TSC and fed them to the horses on trail rides. After that lst time they about ate him up when they saw him getting in his saddle bags. I said that has got to stop.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 19th, 2010 02:32 pm |
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A Star in my Pocket G.O.G Community Member 
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I agree that it totally depends on the horse. My 3 adult horses are no problem at all. Star is learning "no more". She's a bit pushy and a treat hog and she's also learning not to intrude in my space and she tries to head me off when the treats are gone. Until she learns "no more" a majority of her treats will go in her feed tub.
____________________ Listen! Or your tongue will make you deaf.--Cherokee Saying |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 20th, 2010 04:16 am |
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rvrytr G.O.G Community Member
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I give treats (apples, carrot, or apple flavored treats, or mints) always after a ride and brushing. We only see the horses three days a week, so sometimes I give them treats in their stall feeders for fun. Sometimes I give them treats during a brushing or especially difficult cleaning (wet manure roll outside!). Our big TB is the only one to be nippy sometimes, and yesterday I really smacked him hard on his face when he touched my hand with his teeth. It wasn't a real bite, but close enough! He looked so surprised, and didn't try anything again that day! Our paint mare is very gentle about treats, as is my saddlebred mare. Our other TB gelding loves them so much, and can be bribed when needed. He never bites. They don't get them the same time every time, so there is no set expectation on their part, except maybe after a ride or workout. Works for us! Linda
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21st, 2010 07:54 am |
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AppyJo G.O.G Community Member
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gaitingal wrote:In order to avoid this happening in my household, my animals are not allowed to pick up dropped food from the floor without an "okay" command. I also get to choose who get what drops (Im a lazy cook,I let the animals clean up what I drop) I also make my dogs sit back and wait for me to fill their food dishes and give a command before they can come forward and eat. If food is dropped, they wait for the command to have it. My dogs are not allowed to have any kind of food aggression and its always been the first thing Ive dealt with when a dog shows up at the house. My frame of mind is "I OWN THE FOOD" and I'm gracious enough to let you have some. My aunt on the other hand, got a scotty pup a couple of years ago and her and her daughter's (who is an adult living with mom and dad) frame of mind is..."its the dog's food, its the dog's toy". They have each been bit several times by this dog and the dog thinks she owns the house...literally. She's a monster and I dont let the grandbabies near her. She's extremely food and toy aggressive. When I moved near them I used my "lead dog" attitude when I got around her and for months she peed on the floor the minute I walked in their house. She no longer does that but she does everything I tell her to do. My cousin is quite jealous and thinks Im trying to steal her dog. Some day that dog will bite someone and they will have to put her down. They certainly arent getting any smarter about training her or taking her aggression seriousy. Funny thing is, they were the ones who turned me on to the "Dog Whisperer" where I learned alot about integrating aggressive dominant dogs, and they still dont have a clue what to do with their spoiled furry brat.
____________________ Never assume! The moment you do, life is sure to screw you over! |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17th, 2010 12:03 am |
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fireandice G.O.G Community Member 
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My ponies get a treat, whether by hand or in bucket, when I feel they are deserving of such, and capable of behaving appropriately. Stroker is a food whore. Sorry, I am blunt. Sometimes he is of the mindset to accept a treat like a gentleman, and sometimes he's in a bastard mood! I KNOW every little mental-tantrum he's in, and I proceed accordingly. There are times when he is better behaved at pasture than when he's been ridden on a long trail ride - I 'treat', or not, accordingly. He's beginning to learn that now: he gets as much respect as he gives, and not a morsel more. Horses can be like kids, they expect boundaries and if you don't step up to the plate, they'll flat run over your ass! I know plenty of horses who are very disrespectful of your space who never see a treat. It's all based on their interaction with their daily person, and whether or not that person is a dependable leader.
____________________ My pony knows all my secrets. I braid my tears in his mane and whisper my dreams in his ears. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14th, 2010 06:07 pm |
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kyangel G.O.G Community Member 
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Both of my horses get treats when they've earned them and when they are not being pushy. To keep them from insisting on treats when I'm done giving them I taught them "Empty Hands " command. When I say "empty hands" they back of because they know that treat time is over. As added incentive for good behavior during treat time I give them the back up cue or come forward for treats and they know that if they don't obey they wont get the goodies.
____________________ I love Jesus, my horse, and then it's between you and the dog !  |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14th, 2010 07:38 pm |
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GypsySusan G.O.G Community Member 
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That's funny, kyangel - I've taught my herd "mine" - which means if it's in my hands and I say "mine", they leave it alone - including the buckets with their oats in it. That way, I can walk across the corral to the hay shed without being mugged. 'Course, they sometimes still find a way to grab a bite if I don't say "mine". However, it's been a real relief to be able to say, "mine" and have them back off and give me space to walk; but, sometimes, I sound like the gulls in "Finding Nemo" yelling "Mine", "Mine", "Mine". l1  Last edited on Thu Apr 15th, 2010 05:30 pm by GypsySusan ____________________ Susan http://www.gypsytrotters.com Phil 4:11-13, 19 Missouri Fox Trotters: To Ride One... Is to Own One. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15th, 2010 04:05 pm |
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Afubar G.O.G Community Member 
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When I first got Beavis, my big boy (in the avatar) he didn't even know what a treat was, I'd hand him a slice of apple or a carrot and he would lip it and then drop it. Only took a few times of him watching a friends horse get something that he realized it was something good to eat. The upside is that I can now take a piece of bread, put wormer on it, spread some molasses on it, fold it over and hand it to him, all gone. LOL. I treat him after the farrier puts down a foot (not if he's taken the foot away and put it down), when he's been really attentive with training, touching something scary with his nose after being told to "touch", or sometimes just because. He's always so grateful for anything, even just a good word. Never been pushy or demanding. Now my mare is an entirely different storey. I have since stopped all treats for her. She Demands them, acts as if they are her right. NOT!!! The filly, I've never started and probably won't. But my Beav, yep. He gets and deserves treats. Last edited on Thu Apr 15th, 2010 04:06 pm by Afubar ____________________ On the 8th day, God said "Horses Shall Not Trot"! And the Good horses listened!!! |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16th, 2010 09:38 pm |
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karenlexsc G.O.G Community Member 
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I had been having Domino stretch/flex to get a treat...head down between his front legs, to each side etc. and now he starts doing the stretches and looking at me to ask if he gets one? Funny boy.
____________________ Karen No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle. ~Winston Churchill |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 24th, 2010 05:05 am |
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Amy G.O.G Community Member
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I must be very lucky. I have total manners on the other end of my lead and after 11 years if I shut down the cookie factory I am quite sure my horse would pack her bags and at least come knocking at the house door to make sure everything is OK. I think for some horses it's fine but there are some that need the "fed from feeders only" rule. For my horse, when she hears the velcro on her horn bags she stops, turns to my knee and waits. It's a one cookie stop!
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