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| Posted: Wed Jan 5th, 2011 01:04 am |
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NOELLEE G.O.G Community Member 
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Test and trust pic Attachment: test to teach trust.jpg (Downloaded 184 times)
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| Posted: Wed Jan 5th, 2011 01:04 am |
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NOELLEE G.O.G Community Member
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Leader pic Attachment: expect followers, be a leader.jpg (Downloaded 182 times)
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| Posted: Wed Jan 5th, 2011 01:03 am |
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NOELLEE G.O.G Community Member
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Reward pic Attachment: reward shoulder to shoulder.jpg (Downloaded 182 times)
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| Posted: Wed Jan 5th, 2011 01:02 am |
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NOELLEE G.O.G Community Member
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Barbi, I asked my boyfriend about suggestions for your horse since his QH was doing the same resist and test under saddle. Here is what we came up with: I don't recall what bit you using. But we took his QH back to a D-ring snaffle, thick copper mouthpiece broken in the center with the training bars and cavesson. But before you get back in the saddle, try a different type of groundwork. Forget lunging and any force such as in backing up action for now. Put your horse in a rope halter with the strategic knots, and a 10' marine rope with the rattler on the end (piece of leather strips). First step to groundwork: Teach Onyx to back up without force. Simply shake the rope in front of him and jiggle the leather ends closer if he resists. Step forward and move him back without force, using only the shake of the rope. I am posting a pic here to help paint it. Practice this until Onyx easily steps back without any force from your body, just the rope signal. This picture shows my boyfriend teaching this to his QH after a scary bolt this horse did with his daughter riding, very similar to what you have described. Second: Reward standing shoulder to shoulder. Rub his neck. No more treats. Onyx now needs to understand respect from a different perspective. The shoulder to shoulder, touching with rubbing motion, is a reward horses already know from each other, and especially from those herd companions that are considered herd companions they want to please. The dominant horse will always be the one to reach forward shoulder to shoulder, reward another horse, using their mouth to rub the neck area of this other horse. I will post a pic to follow since I seem to only be able to get one pic on each reply. Third: Expect Onyx to follow you. Be the leader without question. Lead Onyx without force everywhere until he freely moves with you, never rushes you, turns with your shoulder... moves as one with you, but always the follower. Another pic to follow. Fourth: Put Onyx to a test to teach trust with you. It can be a tarp on the ground held down with rocks. It can be a wooden bridge set on the ground. Pic to follow. Lead Onyx to these tests over and over again until there is no question from your horse and he freely follows in a testy situation. These are just four workouts of others on the ground that translate to a language the horse understands. The QH is the pictures is a "general", and is also an emotional horse that cannot be taught to understand through force. But can easily learn leadership from another through "games" on the ground that put you in the leadership role over the lesser "general". Once you get Onyx working easily through these types of workouts, then bit and tack him up, but clip on a set of long driving reins. Shorten the stirrups so you can thread the long reins through and the reins fall near the shoulder. Stand behind Onyx and drive him. Forward, stop, back up, right, left, keep practicing. You want Onyx to now understand these motions with the feel of saddle and bit, and your presence. When you are ready to get in the saddle again, be prepared to react faster than Onyx should he have the urge to resist and speed up. At the very moment you feel Onyx resist, do not allow him to get to the speed up stage, use the one hand stop right away. No moment for him to take charge. The QH in the pics made tremendous improvement. Every now and then on a trail ride when we reach an open field, the QH will have a resist-speed up urge. My boyfriend immediately takes him into the one hand stop, sometimes they have to spin a few circles with my boyfriend using a strong arm, but the horse always gives first. Also, as he is turning the horse, he is applying pressure on the opposite side with his heel, to move the horse off pressure and into the turn/circles. It is interesting to watch now, I used to hold my breath, lol, now I know the pattern... there is this moment of intense chemistry between them, horse reluctantly, but strongly protests (testing), yet gives to the pressure and circles, boyfriend wins. Ride goes on as normal. When it happens, it only happens once on a ride. Seems the not so true "general" needed the challenge, but not necessary the win. Boyfriend loves horse. Attachment: backing up without force.jpg (Downloaded 183 times)
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| Posted: Tue Jan 4th, 2011 11:42 pm |
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GypsySusan G.O.G Community Member 
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Sorry you had to deal with the runaway. You did exactly what you should have. Congrats on hanging on and for using the right tools to discipline him. One question - have you been working him every day in the arena? Has he gotten some rest? Maybe too much rest? - IDK what set him off but he definitely was testing your leadership. One thing to maybe try (if you don't already), when lunging don't just send him around and around and around - maybe 2-3 circles then change directions, inside turns, outside turns, through the gate. Have you put the caveson on him yet? Do you know the Parelli games - try those skills also.
____________________ Susan www.gypsytrotters.com Phil 4:11-13, 19 Missouri Fox Trotters: To Ride One... Is to Own One. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 4th, 2011 09:19 pm |
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sisbarbo G.O.G Community Member 
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I guess I spoke too soon!!!! I went out to work with Onyx today and I started him out by free lunging him for a bit, then we went on to the ground work. He was bending left and right. Standing and stopping, and backing. I even clipped him today. Good as gold on the ground. But that is no secret...this horse thinks he's a dog and will do anything on the ground willingly. So... I thought hmmm...maybe I'll just get on him bareback it'll be good for my trust level, and I'll just walk him around and work on using one rein at a time, get him to do some bending. Nothing major. He stood as still as night as I got on and I even needed a stool plus an extra boost to get up there....he still stood still. Pretty good so far..... huh???? Well I get up there and we get walking around and I see his whole demeanor change. Ears are forward he's dancing around (nothing scary and no saddle to pinch him) he starts trying to gait....I get him reined in....do some circles, telling him walk, walk. Still acting up. Soooo... I decide I'm going to get in the saddle and really work him. I get in the saddle...which again he stood still as night for me to get on. We gaited around a few times, but I could see that he was still resisting me. All of a sudden he "got the bit" and he took off!!!! I tried seesawing the reins...no luck. I tried one rein stop....the more I tried to pull his head around...the more he pulled back...couldn't get his head around. So now I'm flying around the arena....no whoa.....the guys were cleaning stalls so I started saying "hellooooo" could use some help here.....hellooooo..." meanwhile I try to run him into a corner and he hesitated, but didn't stop. I almost fell off! I got resituated in the saddle and one of the guys came out at that moment and we got him stopped. I got off the horse.... I ran him around the arena (in free lunge format) until he couldn't run anymore. I let him stand for a moment to catch 1/2 of his breath and off we went again. This went on for approx. 35-45 min. I got back on him, and made him walk. Then I made him gait SLOWLY....he was seriously still defying me in the saddle. He was sooo mad that I got back on him, he was just too tired to do too much about it. I continued to make him go around until he did it right. After a few times around I got off of him and unsaddled him. We did more ground work. Walk....stop.....back. He refused to back.... I got after him and backed him hard. Again....walk...stop....back....we did this until he submitted. WHAT A CHALLENGE!!!!!! ANY SUGGESTIONS??????? hb1
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