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| Posted: Fri Mar 11th, 2011 01:35 am |
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TheBlaze G.O.G Community Member 
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SunnysMum wrote: Also, she needs to go into this NOT expecting the mare to get upset, like she needs to put it out of her mind. It's hard to explain, but it's like the athlete that goes into an competition expecting to fail because it's coach keeps telling them they will, usually does fail. But, one going into the competition expecting to win, will win. Horses are very senstive to our thoughts and emotions, and long as she expects the outcome to be negative, it will continue to be negative. Once she starts genuinely expecting the outcome to be postive, and puts the negative expectation out of her mind. It will allow the mare to mover forward a lot faster in her healing expearince. This is a great point! I am a firm believer in this thought in all aspects of my life. We have a cat who used to spray. He'd pee on everything! It was ruining our house. We considered putting him down, until I did some research and discovered he was OCD with severe anxiety. We got him some anti-anxiety medication that I squirt into his mouth once a day, which costs $5 every two months. The behavior has almost stopped completely. There are days where I forget his medicine because he's hiding from me. And occasionally I find a pee spot somewhere. But, I blame myself for those. Anyways, my husband used to call him "The Pisser." And I told my husband that we can't call him that any more because if he's called "The Pisser" than he will always pee on stuff. He hasn't been called that since. That reminds me, Jack needs his medicine. Good luck to your friend. I hope she can help this little girl overcome this fear. It sounds like a big mountain to climb. But, I have yet to find a horse I can't help. I'm sure she'll be successful. Anything can happen with enough time and patience.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11th, 2011 06:14 am |
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NoMoreHuntersJumpers G.O.G Community Member 
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Right now I'm watching my new mare adjust to life that includes the stall 12 hours a day, turnout 12 hours a day. She's not a wall climber, but she is anxious in the stall, having been in pasture for the past year and a half and maybe her whole life. I have some observations. (1) When you put a treat in her feed bucket, do it every few days but not every day. Animal (and human) learning research confirms that intermittent to random positive reinforcement provides more powerful conditioning that regular, predictable positive reinforcement. In other words, you don't need to reward her every time, and she will learn even faster. I am doing this. Every time my mare enters the stall, she heads straight for the feed bucket to check for that apple or carrot. Sometimes it is there. (2) Stall her near a compatible, calm horse friend. When you put her in the stall, make sure her horse friend is near by. Again, this has worked with my new mare, who get very antsy if left alone in the stall in an empty barn. When her buddy is in the next stall, she is more comfortable. (3) Is the mare blanketed (like most show horses)? Try eliminating the blanket in the stall. I am claustrophobic myself. When I get hot, my claustrophobia gets much worse. I assume the barn has great ventilation and it's cold in the barn, but just in case, this is something to consider. I do not blanket my mare in the barn because she is not clipped and it doesn't get below freezing inside. (4) Does the stall have a window? My mare moves between the stall front and the window and definitely looks out one or the other all the time. (5) Our barn feeds dinner in the stall. Amazing how badly all the horses want to get into their stalls in time for hay. I know a really upset horse will not eat or will only grab mouthfuls, but if you can keep her slowly grazing, she might calm herself. Just some thoughts.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11th, 2011 01:20 pm |
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NOELLEE G.O.G Community Member 
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Tina, what a great story about Jack  Sunny, thanks for reinforcing the principals of how our thoughts and emotions create the path ahead of us, and especially tap into the routes our horses take emotionally and for healing. Really helped me this morning as I got good news on Bo, my 10yr QH, and struggled with information on River, my 3.5yr old last week from the vet. Bo, had a severe kick to the shoulder last Labor Day, caused the scapula nerve to take a direct hit, collasped his major and minor muscles on one side. It can take 2yrs to bring the horse back to soundness, or sometimes never. I know these principals you reminded us of... set my mind and emotions with Bo right away on what I wanted to take place, what I saw taking place. Six months later, vet gives Bo and I to light riding, nerve is repaired and his coordination is strong and capable again, muscles are layering back up. Bo made a recovery no one expected, except us! The two minds and hearts that mattered, his and mine. Now River needs me to remember too... thanks,
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11th, 2011 01:27 pm |
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NOELLEE G.O.G Community Member
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NoMoreHunterJumpers, Great practical tips. I have a window in each stall, and the horses love it. They rotate between hanging out the stall door window or looking out the back wall window. And my barn has been cold this winter with all the windows, but horses don't seem to mind at all so long as the cold wind drafts are diverted. The treat suggestion, been doing that too. Sometimes they get a treat for the good response, sometimes is it not there, then surprise... been seeing it teach them commands really well on the ground.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11th, 2011 02:17 pm |
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SPOTD RIDR G.O.G Community Member 
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My horses stay in the barn in there stalls in bad weather and since it has been raining the last 2 days they have been in for 48 hrs straight. They get a little antsy having not been out but don't do anything when no one is in the barn, nice and quite but as soon as Jerry or I go in there Mira starts pawing at the gate and Coal just starts drooling wanting food and Cruz just does the little hebejebee jerking with excess energy. So what I have been doing is letting 1 horse out of there stall in the barn hallway to walk around and visit the other horses while I go in there stall with a muck bucket and clean put in fresh water and then lastly I put hay in there rack as soon as I do that they voluntarily go into there stalls to eat. It is amazing what that little 15 minutes of piddling around in the hallway does for them you would think they had been out to pasture a few hours, and of course bratty Cruz flipped my full muck bucket over last night. I don't know if it would help or if its a option but is there some way she could be set up in some sort of small confined area that would allow her to come and go to her stall on her own accord ? like a stall with a adjoined small outdoor paddock.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11th, 2011 08:47 pm |
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Lakota G.O.G Community Member 
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I think the best thing to do is get into Mountain horses. I once had to high line my horse for 30 days straight as I had no facilities for him & he was getting a one pound can of sweet feed every day too. Only got to take 2 short rides during that time. Ya gotta love that Golden Retriever personality!l1 Seriously though, I feel for Brenda, these things can about make you go crazy looking for the answer. I had a couple of things come to mind. 1. Find an animal communicator that can find out WHAT is going on in the horses mind. (You may already have discovered this with the accident issue). 2. Don't be afraid to try sedation. They sometimes call it the remembering drug. I witnessed a horse be a really stubborn stinker about getting his feet shod. After trying several techniques (including twitching) he was not improving. The farrier said he wasn't going to fight him & gave him a shot. Got the job done. Next two shoeings, gave a shot first thing. 3rd time out he said let's try him, picked up a foot and he dropped his head, zoned out with his ears to the side. You'd have swore he was sedated! After that he was the best horse in the barn for shoeing! I hope she finds the path to success for this horse. Last edited on Fri Mar 11th, 2011 08:48 pm by Lakota |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12th, 2011 04:08 pm |
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GaitedToo G.O.G Community Member 
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Thanks for the additional tips, everyone. There are no windows in the stalls to the outside, which probably would have helped a bit. Although the only thing she would have seen out the window would be the horsetrailers. Having a calm buddy next to her had no effect whatsoever. The mare is not blanketed. Brenda only shows in the warmer months right now unless she gets to the higher levels, which she's been out of the last few years due to a young child and a business on top of her horse business. She works hard to keep a balance in her life. These warmblood crosses are pretty high maintenance. If the plan Brenda has put together doesn't show at least some results in the first few weeks, she will contact an animal communicator I gave her the name of. Rene
____________________ Hawk’s Rise Ranch |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15th, 2011 03:39 am |
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Nevada G.O.G Community Member
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A horse I had that loaded excellently in any trailer: would walk or ride into any barn, even a boy scout hut suddenly got afraid of such things for no apparent reason. She would not load, you couldn't push her in a stall with a front end loader.......I engaged a local horse trainer to work out the issue....he was successful for one day then it started all over again. I thought she might be going blind and therefore she was afraid of dark enclosed places for which all horses are instinctively afraid and her eye sight was the blame.....checked it out and she could see perfectly. After several frustrating weeks I finally decided that she was simply afraid. The cause unknown. I thought about it or rather worried about it day and night......then I realized that she trusted me. That was the solution. I placed her in front of the trailer lightly tied so she could run if it got too frightening for her and then jumped in the trailer and started kicking the sides, banging the doors open and shut, hitting the ceiling with a stick until I was in a real sweat.....at first she backed to the end of the lead, then as my tirade continued she came closer and closer to see what this idiot horse owner was actually doing inside the trailer. As my last bang of the sides was just ending I walked out of the trailer and asked her to go on. She hesitated but then casually walked in and that was that. The fear was gone. Her owner had gone in and lived to walk out even though it sounded like the earth was ending.....she now walks in any enclosure on lead and in saddle. I only know she is nervous sometimes when her ears will prick straight up for a few seconds then oh hum, been there and done that and drop back to normal.......maybe your friend can show her horse that the stall doesn't have a death sentence nailed to the wall.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15th, 2011 01:40 pm |
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TheBlaze G.O.G Community Member
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Nevada, what a funny image that was! Great story!
____________________ ~Tina Wishes are horses, and I fly! |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15th, 2011 02:03 pm |
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GaitedToo G.O.G Community Member
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Nevada, That was great!!! I have to forward your post to my friend Brenda. I can just see all 90 lbs of her in Poppy's stall by herself kicking it with all her heart and throwing herself into the wall. The image cracks me up!! (But what a great idea! that's how my husband finally taught a very sensitive Arabian to cross water.) l1
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